Gaming Outpost Discussions

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   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   I am sorry; "Mori" is not the name. I actually misread "Mom" on a notepad I had. The nickname is "Lach".

   At the moment, there is only one mind bridging two bodies. You do not have separate mental or physical existence from Lelach (which is her given name). That is the source of much of the confusion.

   Your apology gets thrown into the mix; Lach feels that she is apologizing to herself, and she does not understand what she has done.

   The information that she is pregnant connects with a suspicion that she had.

   Lelach and Morani are sprites. There are stories in the holy writings about a time when sprites and elves were at odds with each other, but no one knows whether there still are elves in the world. Lach only knows the stories from her grandmother, because she's a girl and was not permitted to learn or read them. She does speak some spritish, thanks to her parents and grandparents, but most sprites speak Human now.

   They live in the woods. In winter they will enter a hole in the tree and seal the opening, keeping it warm with their own body heat.

   She knows how to start fires by heating mithisella in her hands; mithisella is apparently something finer and more flammable than tinder, but there seems also to be some aspect of a sprite's body that allows her to focus the light she naturally produces at all times into her hands to create enough heat to ignite this material. She also flies, and was not bad at aerobatics when she was younger, which is the sort of play young sprites of both genders pursue.

   Now, how exactly do you expect to split your mind into several different personalities?

   --M. J. Young

   Fri Jun 26 2009 12:12 am #
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   Max
   Member

   This seems like a Déjà vu to me.
   Some of the things that I have imagined started to come together.
   There are many parallel or similar things that have happened all around me including in other characters and adventures.
   I just hope that it is all just a coincidence.

   -----

   Splitting mind into several different personality is not very hard if you have an active imagination (or mental simulation).
   Try talking (thinking) to yourself to search for a solution is an example of this.
   You can also try looking from different perspective to create a split personality.
   Visualization process helps a lot in personality manipulation.

   I will try visualizing an ocean with two ports.
   Maxx will be the ocean with all past life information.
   The ocean will also represent the subconsciousness.
   A new port is going to have its grand opening soon.
   This represents the baby personality.
   All new ship are sailing from this new port to get resources from all around it.
   This represent the baby senses and physical existence.
   An established port will represent Lach personality.
   All the experience sailor will go to this port.
   This represents Lach experience in the current world.
   The ocean will only let the appropriate ship sail to its port.
   This represents only appropriate personalities are allowed to control the body.
   The ocean will also let the ship pass through in certain condition.
   The ocean will also give natural resources to each port when needed.
   This represents information sharing between each parties.

   This will sort of make me be like a 'Guardian Spirit' or something to both Lach and her child (which coincidentally relates with sprites that take root from spiritus or spirit in Latin).

   How do the sprites look like? (Is it like a fairy or something?)
   What do they wear?
   What is their size compared to human?
   Do the light that came from sprite body is from a magical origin?
   Who is this King that Lach talks about?

   I thought elves is in the same family as sprites but I could be wrong.
   I wonder if the disagreement stem from emulating human culture such as speaking human language. I will keep this in mind. I will hope that the baby will be a boy so that I can probably gain more access to the information.

   I should know a bit of spritish by now or is my assumption wrong?
   Do I have new skills now because of this mind sync effect?

   The result of creating personality, the effect of mind sync, and questions relating the appearance of sprite and the King will be noted. If all is good, meeting with the others should be next on the list.

   Fri Jun 26 2009 8:49 am #
3. 

   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   As it stands now, you are not a distinct person from Lelach; you know what she knows, and she knows what you know. You both exist as a single entity in two bodies; perhaps fortuitiously, one of those bodies has negligible movement capabilities, so at least that's not getting too confused.

   You can create these seemingly separate identities, but they are all you, and they are all Lelach. (The baby never had any identity that was not you, incidentally, so separating yourself from the baby is pretty difficult even conceptually.)

   As for appearance, Lelach is reminiscent of Tinkerbell. Of course, to her way of thinking, Sprites are a normal size and humans are huge--four to six times as tall, roughly. Her clothes are made from animal leather and woven natural fibers.

   She has never given any consideration to the source of the light that emanates from her and ever other sprite's body, nor why it is there. The idea that it might be "magic" seems silly to her, because she's only a sprite, so how could she do magic. At the same time, what you know about the light makes it seem at least in part magical. For example, it does not shine through her clothes, but emanates from around her even when she is wearing clothes. She thinks she does not control it, but she does focus it into her hands when she wants to light a fire, and it apparently has enough heat in it to do that if she has mithisella.

   As to the King, it appears to be a name for a god; it also appears that for Lelach it would be the name for the God, as monotheism is all she understands. She is finding ideas in the new fused mind that are very confusing and even frightening to her, as she now knows things that are not true (e.g., that men have flying machines and travel in space) and believes things that are contradictory (presumably conflicting with your beliefs).

   Your efforts to separate yourself into individual personalities fails.

   --M. J. Young

   Fri Jun 26 2009 11:19 pm #
4. 

   Max
   Member

   Well, this is getting interesting.
   The time limit to find a solution is until the birth then.
   If not, things will get troublesome in more ways than one.
   I will just follow Lelach lead in whatever she wants to do for now.

   This is like two company merged together to be a new one.
   Lets divide work for each division to make it less confusing.
   It may also make multi-tasking easier if we have no contradicting thought.
   To do this effectively I need to know what I have known from Lelach such as the common knowledge of this world.
   For an example, what is the name of the animal that she cook?

   You can create these seemingly separate identities, but they are all you, and they are all Lelach. (The baby never had any identity that was not you, incidentally, so separating yourself from the baby is pretty difficult even conceptually.)

   My real intention is not the separation of the mind but to ease the control of both body. I will consult with Lelach about what to do with the current situation and hope to get her cooperation. I am thinking of perfectly synchronizing our thoughts to control each respective body. The baby is a new created personality to prevent a weird situation where a baby can know so much things when just been born (which can be achieved just by feigning ignorance).

   The idea that it might be "magic" seems silly to her, because she's only a sprite, so how could she do magic.

   What other creature do she think can do magic?
   This may seem a normal thing to her so can this be called sprite normal body attribute?

   She thinks she does not control it, but she does focus it into her hands when she wants to light a fire, and it apparently has enough heat in it to do that if she has mithisella.

   Could she teach me how to do it or do I have known it all along already?

   As to the King, it appears to be a name for a god; it also appears that for Lelach it would be the name for the God, as monotheism is all she understands.

   So King is what the God is called in this world.

   She is finding ideas in the new fused mind that are very confusing and even frightening to her, as she now knows things that are not true (e.g., that men have flying machines and travel in space) and believes things that are contradictory (presumably conflicting with your beliefs).

   That happen in another world so I will calm her down by telling her that my thought or belief may not be relevant in this world which is why I said to forget or ignore it before. This may be a low tech world or past parallel world.

   I will ask her if there is anything she should have done now.
   If there is not, I will suggest her to tell Morani that she is pregnant.
   (Try to get Morani's mind frequency at that moment.)
   I will then suggest they go to a doctor (or whatever it is called in this world) or someone who is really knowledgeable about this situation (preferably someone who knows personality manipulation).
   I wanted to know how many days have past since the date of conception or maybe I already know that by knowing what Lelach knows?
   Can this knowledgeable person determine the gender of the baby before it is born?
   Can this person help with the personality problem?

   Describe (and tell the name if possible) the surrounding including other sprites, animals and plants that Lelach see.
   The results of conversation, trip to Morani and doctor (or any similar beings) are noted.

   Sat Jun 27 2009 3:06 pm #
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   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   I am combining my answers to both threads here; that means some of the questions are in the new thread, Maxx In-game Journal.

   The animal cooking is a mouse. It should be large enough to make a good meal for the family.

   The firestarting is indeed a normal body ability of sprites. As to magic, it is said that elves could work magic, but no one knows if there are still elves in the world. Some of the elders can do some magic, of course, because they have studied so much for so long. Since it is a body-based skill, when she does it you do it; the baby's body is not yet able to focus heat at all--you have not yet figured out how to move your hands. It is not psionic, but seems rather to be something of a biofeedback control, the way some people learn to slow their heart rates. Sprites have a higher than human body temperature, and can focus their body heat into their hands. As to mithisella, cotton candy is a pretty good description. It is finer than tinder, with an extremely low ignition temperature. The heat in her hands can be raised sufficiently to ignite it, but it does not get hot enough to scorch any but the most sensitive materials--she could not use her finger as a woodburner, for example, although she could probably melt wax, if she had any.

   Concerning writing the journal, Lelach does not read nor write; of course, you can read and write, and so you can manipulate a writing implement to do so using her hands, somewhat awkwardly at first since it is an entirely new skill for Lach's hands, but she'll catch on fast.

   Since, though, she does not read nor write herself, she has no such materials on hand. Rani reads, and to some limited degree also writes (the education of male sprites is directed at enabling them to read holy writ, with only the most advanced students also learning to copy it, of which Rani is not one). Her knowledge of the stories in holy writ are gained from tales told by her grandmother; she does not know how her grandmother learned those tales. He reads and writes spritish, though, not human; the writing you use is human, and although that is what Lach speaks, she does not read nor write it.

   Lelach's mind says that pregnancy takes about six to eight months from the time you know you are pregnant, and that different people realize this sooner. That suggests that gestation for a sprite is the same as for a human. This might be because although size is significantly different, complexity of development is not.

   Lach is definitely frightened, which means you are also frightened. The women of her family will help with the birth, but there won't be any "doctors", which seems to mesh with her understanding of the wise elders of the community who know about things, involved. You could try to explain the problem to them, and they might attempt an exorcism or something. She is going to try to ask Rani about it, but she's a bit frightened of how he will react.

   You are managing the problems of controlling both bodies, because there really is only one mind even though there still seems to be two personalities each with its own will. The only time you have trouble really is when you want to do different things, and that's not usually the case. What is more difficult is deciding to do something; once it's decided, it's easy enough to do.

   What religion were you? Those are the beliefs that are conflicted at present (and yes, they do conflict, because even if you are an agnostic you "know" things about God and religion that are not things she has heard before).

   Presumably you are going to attempt to convey the problem to Morani. What do you think you are going to say?

   --M. J. Young

   Sun Jun 28 2009 7:59 pm #
6. 

   Max
   Member

   I thought that it was a mouse but I have just to ask for confirmation.

   Focus body heat at specific place is a good skill to learn even as a human.
   I heard some monks a capable to do this to withstand the cold.
   Well, what a lucky guess on mithisella.

   The idea to write with leaf came to me when remembering some of it have a photosensitive condition that may change their color when given enough light but I do not know where to find that kind of leaf yet.
   I will write with my hand, a tiny twig, ash or anything available to the ground or any surface that is writable.
   Which hand does Lelach usually use?
   She should know how to read and write using human language by now by using my knowledge right?
   Can I learn a bit of spritish or cooking from her?

   I will also thank Lelach for the information about the gestation period of sprites.
   Can Lelach guess the conception time so that I can calculate how much time we have to find the solution for this situation?

   Thank goodness the problems of controlling both bodies are manageable for now but I do wonder what happens after birth.
   I will consult with Lelach with everything that we will do so that no conflict of movement happens.

   Well, I study various religion and belief system.
   It is sufficient to say I believe in a power that governs all reality and simulation where each world are some sort of frequency.
   This collective frequency is like the mind of God or a part of it.
   Does that information satisfy what Lelach need to know?

   Even I am frightened if I am faced with this situation but that maybe because I am in the same situation as her.
   "Should we ask the King for guidance?", I asked Lelach.
   I wonder if the belief system fused too?
   Let just say that the King that Lelach refer to is the same as what I believed in.
   I wonder if my mental attribute are fused together too.
   Do we have accumulated, separated, same or averaged out attribute such as intuition, intellect or others because of this situation?

   Can I suggest Lelach to come up with the wording of what I want to say?
   I will suggest she tell Morani that she is pregnant.
   I will suggest her kept the personality problem as a secret for now.
   She can tell him if she want but that is all up to her.
   If she decided to tell Morani, then tell it as others problem first (such as a person A have personality problem and you want to consult with him to help this person).
   If he agrees to help, ask him if we could go to the wise elder for help or something.
   If she is interested in the reaction then she can mind read him by using my skill but it is up to her though.

   Mon Jun 29 2009 7:23 pm #
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   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   Lelach can read, and understands how to write, but the formation of letters by any physical means will require much practice to do it with any speed. Think back to how you wrote in kindergarten: you had to form each letter slowly, individually, and it was a difficult task until your hands became accustomed to the process. You were taught printing first, cursive later, so that you could stop between each letter and make them individually before proceeding to the next.

   You certainly know all she knows about cooking at the moment. What you will retain of that knowledge upon separation, assuming you ever manage separation, will depend on a lot of points that cannot be determined until we know how you manage the separation. It might be that you will be split in a way that will remove from each of you all knowledge obtained from the other, even any recollection that the joining occurred; it might be that the separation is such that each of you retains all the memories of both (although you will have to teach your body the body skills hers uses naturally, just as she has to do with yours). It is difficult to know exactly what you can "learn" if you mean what can become part of Maxx' knowledge independent of Lelach's knowledge, as at the moment there is no such thing as separate knowledge. It is all fused into one person with conflicted personalities. It is almost as if you had multiple personality syndrome, except that both personalities are fully active at all times and you've been very much a gentleman about not taking control very often, and on some level you really have only the one unified will. Your minds have melded, and so even though you have two identities which can still be distinguished by having two histories, whatever happens to you now is happening to one person with an identity crisis.

   Concerning the information on religion, Lelach does not "need to know" anything; she already knows everything you think and believe. I need to have a more complete understanding of your religion because I need to be able to assess the conflict between what she believes and what you believe.

   Do we have accumulated, separated, same or averaged out attribute such as intuition, intellect or others because of this situation?

   Good question. I think under these circumstances you would be able to rely on the higher of most of these--intuition, intellect, education level, certainly, maybe persuasion. An mag and charisma may be different from either, primarily based on hers but possibly modified slightly by yours if yours is different. Will power might be the odd one, because I can see that as between you you might each have your own, but facing the outside you might be able to enhance it a bit if you can agree.

   Lach tells Rani that she thinks she might be pregnant. He asks her, sort of hedging, how she knows, or whether he doesn't really want to know the answer to that. She says that it's really nothing like anything she'd ever heard, but that she can sort of sense the baby, as if it were trying to tell her it was there. She laughs, as if that's the silliest thing she's ever said, but Morani is much too excited about his first child to worry about how she knows.

   She does not mention the personality thing. Not yet, anyway (unless you push the issue).

   The idea of reading his mind seems very invasive to her. That's a word she got from you, by the way, but it does describe what she feels about it. On the other hand, you might be able to do it (you have enough control that you could contest her position on it).

   --M. J. Young

   Wed Jul 1 2009 3:33 am #
8. 

   Max
   Member

   I will suggest to her to learn how to write with each of her hands so that she can balance the practice with each hands. The fabric and the sewing for journal can be done to make a copy of the current journal so that it is easier to bring somewhere else. She can also recycle fabric that is not used by anyone else to save expenses.
   She may even used animal leather or anything sew-able for the fabric and natural fibers as the thread.

   Talking about expenses, how do the economy in this world works?
   What is use to trade with others?
   Is it monetary or barter system?
   Do farming of any kind exist in this world such as growing of crops and rearing of animals?
   Are there human civilization nearby?
   What are the date today compared to the human civilization?
   Can sprite communicate with human, animals, plants or others?

   The ideal separation would be separating with each other knowledge still intact (if Lelach does not want my memory then maybe we can erase it) but if in case separation is not an option then living with it like a conjoined twins that can accommodate each other movement is also good.
   Does Lelach feel thankful or otherwise for having my memory?

   I have to give note to myself that even trying for lucid dreaming can have this kind of effect in this world. I do wonder if a second lucid dreaming will reverse the effect and ask Lelach if she wants to try this method now, wait until after birth to try it or feel that this method is better not attempted.

   It is almost as if you had multiple personality syndrome, except that both personalities are fully active at all times and you've been very much a gentleman about not taking control very often, and on some level you really have only the one unified will.

   That statement also kind of describe of the entity I believe in but King (or God) really know how to micro-manage things.
   I am not too sure about the 'gentleman' part until the gender of the baby are verified but I go with it for now.

   Your minds have melded

   So mind meld it is.
   King (or God) must have a good reason for this to happen.
   Probably to give a hint of the Truth but this is just a guess.
   Don't you think my belief do kind of fit the title of this thread?
   If any contradiction happen with Lelach according to our belief, I will accommodate her belief with mine.
   What contradiction do you potentially see with what Lelach believe in and a person who believe in any monotheism religion?

   For the attribute of an mag and charisma, I will leave them to Lelach as it is her body after all. I did not know if mine is any different because I am not sure of what to compare it to.
   The next training is will power enhancement by agreement or being supportive of each other to make things easier.
   If we have different opinion on things then do we have a will power fight or end up doing nothing? (This problem never came as an issue before but it is interesting to see what might happen.)
   How do my character sheet look like after all this or is this information a secret?

   If she does not want to mention the personality thing then it is better not to because I trust her intuition. It is still manageable now anyways. That is why we have to find solution to this problem before birth or try to control both body normally.

   If Lelach does not want to read Morani mind then it is sufficient to note his mental frequency for emergency cases (such as knowing the safety of your loved one). I can try to make a mental prediction of his reaction by pure calculation and empathy if Lelach wants to.

   Can we divide time to do what each personality wants to do but prioritize on Lelach?
   As each person have a frequency, each things may have frequency too.
   I wonder what happens if I try to meditate or relax my mind?
   Can I try to relax my mind to sense the frequency of my surroundings?
   Do the frequency of the things surrounding me became clearer if I only focus at one thing at a time?
   If we can do this, we can probably do it to search fabric or anything that is suitable to sew by matching a fabric frequency pattern to the frequency pattern of the surrounding.
   Do Lelach meditate with me or will she be able to do what she wants to do better?
   Lets try personality multitasking where each personality concentrate on one task as it will be a good practice for the future. We will be practicing this anytime that it is appropriate such as writing with both hands.
   I wonder if one personality sleep do the other personality sleep too or can the other personality take full control when the other is asleep?

   Wed Jul 1 2009 3:27 pm #
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   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   Have Lelach ever thought of not having enough mithisella for the winter and gathered berry that day?
   The conception happen before that event so it can be a sort of reference point.
   Can she remember how many day have past from that event?

   You remember that as being less than a week before this mental fusion occurred, which is about two days ago (this the third day).

   We will try to search for more fabric using frequency matching.

   I have no idea what you mean by this.

   Oh, sorry--there it is. Please try to keep everything you intend to do in this thread; you can use the other thread for recording your thoughts and ideas, but not for in-game actions. Thanks. I'll get back to this.

   Lach and Rani live alone; they can't really help themselves to other people's leftover fabric. They are part of a village, in Sprite concepts, but generally sprite homes are far enough apart that they cannot see nor hear each other, even in such villages.

   Most people make or find what they need, or trade what they have to someone else. That is, that's how sprites do it.

   Lach does not know the world beyond her village. Her people are hunter-gatherers, although some fish and most grow a few plants close to home so they can gather nearby.

   Lelach is still frightened about your memories, because she does not understand what they are or how they can exist. More precisely, part of you does not understand how memories of another world can exist, there being no reason to think that there are other worlds. Part of you is accommodated to that idea already. Part of you thinks you are losing your mind, because you think it perfectly reasonable to have memories of another life in another world.

   Lelach does not let you attempt to read Morani's thoughts or feelings in any way beyond the ordinary reading of body language. She suspects that you're in this mess because you were trying to do something you shouldn't try to do, trying to have powers that don't really belong to sprites. Or she was, or something. She doesn't want to think about it, and she doesn't want to believe that she tried to read someone else's thoughts or feelings, even though in the confusion it seems that she was someone else trying to read her own feelings. You cannot find someone's mental frequency without somehow making mental contact with them, so you can't get Morani's frequency this way at this time.

   Your thoughts about human civilization create an immediate fear reaction in Lach, and she does not want to think about humans. They are not that far, but she does not want to risk being too close to such horrible monsters.

   That's another problem with the mental connection: she remembers being a human, and even though she does not remember anything particularly wicked about being human, to her humans are very wicked and dangerous.

   The calendar, such as it is, mostly tells that the seasons are progressing. There are no years counted except for how old someone is.

   If inanimate objects have a frequency, you don't find it by relaxing your mind.

   Any suggestion that you want to do something different from what you want to do creates significant stress and fear, because it suggests that you are losing your mind.

   When you say you want to focus on one "thing" at a time, what kinds of things are you considering, and how do you want to focus on them?

   When you attempt to read the mental frequency of fabric, she stops you, telling herself that it is absolutely insane to think that she could read the mind of a mindless thing like fabric.

   You both sleep at the same time, but it is much more complicated than that, because when Lelach's body is asleep you both cycle in and out of consciousness in the baby's body, and when her body is awake your awareness of the baby's body rolls in cycles of between five and thirty minutes at a shot, awake, asleep. You only rest when both bodies are asleep, and it's starting to impact your ability to function when you are awake.

   You cannot split what the personalities are doing; they are too closely united for that.

   --M. J. Young

   Thu Jul 2 2009 12:36 am #
10. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Footnote: any changes to your character sheet will be posted behind the screens.

    --M. J. Young

    Thu Jul 2 2009 12:37 am #
11. 

    Max
    Member

    The journal just acts as summary for the parent thread because that is what journal does. It also acts as a way to clear doubts on certain things that should be known but have been omitted from the parent thread. Any action that I do will be in this thread and the summary can be found in the journal.
    Can the journal be a personalized behind the screens to keep it all together?
    In behind the scenes, it is said you wanted to move me at the end of the queue. I think that is possibly the best option because I do not want to take too much of your time. My post are long anyway so probably it should be dealt with last.

    Day 3 of mental fusion now is it?
    Time sure flies by fast.

    Conflicting thoughts about another world?
    How does Lelach explain my existence and the foreign memory then?
    Insanity might be a good explanation though I thought jokingly.
    Then I calm her down that this is maybe just a dream or something unexplainable for now.

    I would not want to read Morani mind if she does not agree.
    I just thought that keeping Morani's mind frequency at hand can be good for future reference but if I have to mind read him to get his mental frequency then probably I have to create a new skill to note mind frequency by using mental image of the person.
    Not that I know how to at the moment but I think I can do it so I will keep it in mind.
    What do I get from reading the body expression of Morani?
    Very happy and maybe some anxiety as what to come I guess?

    As long as I can remember I have done lucid dreaming as a human but I have to apologize if sprite are not meant to do this. I do not know that I am a sprite when I attempted it.
    I will ask Lelach to teach me the basic law of the sprite because if I did not know about it then how can I abide to it.

    In my past life I am a human.
    So do Lelach think I am wicked or dangerous?
    She could read all my thought so she could decide what is wicked and dangerous about human right?
    Some people are good, some are bad, some are in the middle and there are plenty of variation out there.
    That is why there is the need to know as much information as possible to choose who you dealt with.

    How old is an average sprite or how long is the sprite life span?

    So relaxing my mind would not work to detect frequency of inanimate object.
    Then lets try focusing my mind on several things (one be one) such as fabric, clothes, thread and food; alternating to the other after I feel some pattern.
    I would not want to read the mind of the fabric of course.
    Lelach must misinterpreted what I mean by frequency as mental frequency.
    The frequency that I meant is more of a pattern or signature of things that one can feel when using one senses.
    What I wanted to do is feel with all my senses (vision, smell, touch, vibration of material and maybe taste) if there are pattern I could come up with so I can search for it better.
    What I have done is just the usual stuff so she should not worry too much about it.

    What a complicated system for sleeping.
    This means that we have to make a system to rest well.
    Can we replace the consciousness time of the baby by meditation to rest the mind?
    Can we can also make a simultaneous rest for both body?

    You cannot split what the personalities are doing; they are too closely united for that.

    So that just leave us with cooperating together to do multitasking things.
    How are we doing in trying to do multitasking things such as writing with both hands?
    At anytime Lelach feel that she wants to seek help from others about the situation then I will let her do so.

    I heard that sprite like shiny things. Is this true?
    Do Lelach perhaps seen a glass marble before?

    Thu Jul 2 2009 6:34 pm #
12. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Lelach's explanation for these memories are the same as yours: that they must be real, and that she must be insane because they cannot be real. There is this part that thinks that somehow the mind/machine interface on the total immersion virtual reality system has gone awry, dumping a second personality into your head and causing you to believe that you've lived twenty-some years as a female sprite and are now having your first child. There is another part of you that thinks that some demon is trying to drive you insane with these ideas about "total immersion virtual reality" and "mind machine interface" and this notion that she was a human for several decades (?) living in a world which obviously cannot exist, in which electricity which is something like lightning powers lights and sound systems and telephones and televisions, and gasoline and other liquids are burned not only to make light and fire but to drive carriages called cars. Nothing about her memories make sense, because there are two incompatible memory sets blurred together. She knows that when she was about five she started kindergarten and clearly remembers her kindergarten teacher; she also knows that when she was five she hung out at the pond near the school so she and the other girls could play stunt flying games with the boys when they finished for the day. She knows that she was a boy, and that she was a girl; that she has been flying all her life and has never flown. With some horror she knows all the girls you ever dated and exactly how you treated them, from your first kiss to your last--well, I won't presume to know anything about your sex life, but she does; she also knows about how Rani is the only boy she ever kissed, the man she married at her parents' arrangement, and her husband and only lover for life.

    So yes, she thinks she is crazy; and probably you do, too, since there really is only the one mind now, and it's very confused.

    Your assessment of the feelings of a newly expectant father are accurate. He's also worried that he has to take care of you, his pregnant wife.

    Lelach is pleased to realize that she never killed any sprites, but it doesn't help that the human memories don't include ever having seen a sprite. (I'm assuming that you never killed anyone--e.g., as a member of the armed forces. That would upset her, and she would know it if it were so.)

    Sprites live to human lifespans, but don't often die young, thus many of them are eighty and ninety. They are also, well, more spritely at older ages, and remain fertile into their sixties, but they generally have one child per decade, starting in their early twenties.

    O.K., I'm still trying to grasp this concept of the frequency of an object. Are you trying to detect/determine the chemical composition of the target object, e.g., this is cotton, this is wood, this is a blend of iron and copper? Are you looking for some sort of animistic spirit, that a tree would have a tree spirit and so wood from the tree would retain something of that spirit?

    You collectively remember seeing everything either of you ever saw. When you think of a glass marble, the memory is hers as well. She is pretty certain such things do not exist in the world that she would have called real, but they do exist in that other world that is real that she thinks is the one that is new (but isn't, because she was a human longer than she was a sprite, I'm guessing). Some sprites do like shiny objects, but most aren't really all that different from people.

    --M. J. Young

    Thu Jul 2 2009 9:02 pm #
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    Max
    Member

    She might see that I am in the twenties.
    I have never dated or lip-kiss anyone as far as I can remember though.
    I treat anyone else as how I want to treat myself.
    This is (probably) because I have a natural gift of extreme empathy and kissing anyone would (probably) feel like kissing yourself.
    So all of Lelach experiences is considered a first to me and should not conflict too much with her.

    One mind but still have different will.
    This is what confuses me the most.
    Should I know what she wants to object to before she made the objection because I have all her memory?
    Do we control or sense from both body simultaneously or is it reverting/alternating to each other body at a specific period?
    I wonder if we can do the opposite of separation.
    How about fusing the two of the will together to create a new will or personality?
    This might be easier than separating them and make our life easier.
    I can make Lelach the dominant personality in this new personality if she wants to.
    We could possibly try self-hypnosis to do this.
    I will consult Lelach about this.

    By the way, do I know how Lelach pray to get guidance from the King?
    If I know then I will pray with her to give us a solution or to get any help for our situation.

    What do Lelach and Morani usually do in their everyday life and is there change to it after Morani knows that Lelach is pregnant?

    I have not kill anyone but have kill mosquito that is biting me even after I have warded them to go away. (Self defense of course. Sometime I even let them bite me once and leave as long as the mosquito does not annoy me by flying around and trying to get more. I do hope that the mosquito will have a happy afterlife though.)

    The frequency of an object is probably what people refer psychometry (should not be confused with psychometrics) phenomenon as.
    Each object have specific pattern imbued with them such as color, chemical composition, past events and others that will form that pattern.
    By categorizing this pattern, we can probably search for a similar pattern to find what suited our needs.

    What do Lelach use to prepare food?
    Does she use a knife or some tools to prepare it?
    What does sprite use to hunt animals for food?
    What shiny object exist in this world that Lelach know?

    I suggest we start our practice in drawing if Lelach wants to.
    We can try to draw a map of the places that Lelach have gone to, a picture of surroundings or anything that Lelach wishes to draw. (Maybe a picture of Morani if she wants to surprise him.)
    We will try to meditate to rest both of the body and mind if Lelach wish to rest.

    Can you make a post on what day after the mind fusion event to the journal so that I know what the current day is? Any behind the screens info can also be included there if it is not too much trouble for you.

    Fri Jul 3 2009 8:27 am #
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    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    One mind but still have different will.
    This is what confuses me the most.

    Yes, I can see why that would be confusing.

    The reason you have two wills is not so much that there are two of you, but that there are two of us. I need a fair mechanic to determine whether "You" collectively do what you think you would do or what I think she would do; the balance of will powers thus is not about which one of you controls so much as which aspect of your roughly-unified personality is currently dominant. Lelach is very much against the mental invasion of privacy; you perceive mental contact as a valuable tool. There are not two opinions in your joined mind, but reasons supporting two distinct positions. The will power check determines which opinion currently governs you. Thus we can look at it as you proposing thoughts you would like to entertain as the basis for action, and Lelach doing the same, and the dice being rolled to determine which thoughts are accepted by the corporate person as the basis for action.

    Does that help?

    Lelach does not know anything about self-hypnosis but what you know, but she is a bit wary of it.

    Prayers to the king are usually made by going to someone else and telling that person what you need, and asking them to take your petition to the king. Men usually take such petitions to their teachers or to the male elders of the village; women usually take them to their husbands or fathers. It is possible to take a petition to a female elder, but she would probably in turn take it to a male elder. Lelach does not know where the male elders take the petitions.

    Lelach's pregnancy does not have much impact on what they do. He does the hunting, she gathers edible vegetation and cares for the home and cooking.

    He hunts with a small bow and arrows. The arrowheads are stone, and the fletching is feather.

    Her utensils are mostly wood with a few sharp stones for special purposes.

    Lelach has heard that there are stones that are shinier than the best of those found in the nearby streambed, but she has not seen them.

    Since you've got this joined mind, I am assuming that you are getting most of this information on the first couple days of the melded mind. After all, if you think a question and Lelach knows the answer, you remember the answer as if you'd already known it. Thus the process is extremely quick.

    She is not really sure how to make a map of a forest. There is a stream nearby, and lots of trees, and a few clearings. She knows how to fly from place to place, and does have a path to walk to the stream.

    Stitching pictures is a slow process.

    --M. J. Young

    Fri Jul 3 2009 9:22 pm #
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    Max
    Member

    If the minds are as united as they seem to be then I think there is no need for self-hypnosis.

    Would Lelach want to tell Morani about the situation or do she prefer to keep quiet about it?
    Would she prefer go to the female elder without telling Morani?
    Would Lelach want to try to ask for the guidance directly by asking the King in her mind (or does Lelach think that King cannot read the mind of subjects)?

    How does she care for the home (weeding perhaps)?
    Do Lelach throw away the left over of the mouse?
    If not, what is it use for (fabric perhaps)?
    Can the mouse bone be used as an arrowhead if sharpened?
    Try to suggest this to Morani.
    Do they make accessories such as necklace or bracelet with the mouse bone remains (teeth perhaps)?

    If there a stream nearby then probably there is clay.
    Would Lelach want to try pottery to preserve food or mithisella?
    I think it might be a good way to keep mithisella dry in the winter.

    We will sketch a picture on the ground first then probably copy it to the fabric via stitching if we have the time.
    We can also ask Morani what it is to make paint or ink to write in this world.
    Is it ash, blood, food item (such as berry) or others?
    We can try to make the paint or ink ourselves.
    We can also learn to paint the fabric using the ink.

    How is the baby doing?
    How does sprite take care of their children?
    Is there anything that a mother would prepare for their child?
    What day is today from the mind fusion?

    Sat Jul 4 2009 5:50 am #
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    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Lelach is very uncertain about telling anyone about this insanity that has taken her. She does not think it is normal to be able to feel the pregnancy from the baby's perspective, never mind to have these notions that the baby had a previous life in another world. But the idea of going to the female elder appeals to her, if that's what you want to do. She is not comfortable doing so without telling Morani, and she is not comfortable telling Morani, but she is trying to think of how to suggest to Morani that she wants to talk to the elder about whether her pregnancy is going the right way without worrying him or giving him too much information.

    She doesn't exactly weed the clearing, but she does stamp out plants that encroach.

    The food is shared with other sprites if there is more than they need. These include their parents and a few neighbors. If everyone has too much food, it is usually fed to the fish in the streams. Hides are used sometimes for leather or fur, if they are of good quality, and occasionally bones are used for tools, but stone arrowheads are stronger. Sprites do not wear jewelry.

    They do have sunbaked and open fire baked pottery, mostly for dishes and pots, and do some cooking in such pots. You will probably be fed some sort of seed-based mush cereal when you are old enough, which will be served in such bowls.

    The mithisella is stored over the winter for use in the spring. The winter is spent inside the tree with the entrance sealed against the cold, eating stored food. Fires inside the tree would be very bad.

    The inks used at the school are made from berry juice and ash. Morani asks why she asks.

    It's really too soon to be doing much to prepare for the birth of the baby. Rags to use for diapers are being collected, and eventually a grass-lined bedding area will be made.

    Concerning the advance of days, I've been more focused on answering your questions and treating them as if they are all being asked on the same day; but then, you're also taking actions that would probably occur over at least several days. So let's say that three more days have elapsed, making it the sixth day of the journal.

    --M. J. Young

    Tue Jul 7 2009 7:40 pm #
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    Max
    Member

    Female elders probably know how to write to convey the message effectively to the male elders. Tell Morani that Lelach wanted to become the female elder apprentice. That is why she asked about the ink to learn how to write to help the female elder with the work probably as a secretary. What do Lelach think about this idea?

    Did Lelach sew the journal with bone needle?
    Some bone may be sharper and can withstand much pressure from stone of the same size but it depends on the bone density.
    Have we done any progress on the checking the pattern (or frequency) of object such as density (mass/volume) and other attributes?
    Do sprite oppose to wearing jewelry?
    Do we manage to make pottery for the baby that is to come?

    Make ink from berry juice and ash.
    Write the journal using the ink for the new entry.
    Write any information of this world that we know in the new entry.
    Collect the sewn or written with ink entry and the stitched or painted picture together.
    Sew the fabric together to form a book.

    A map can be made by scaling the terrain to fit the fabric.
    The measurement can be made using a rope of certain length.
    You can know which way is north by observing the movement of sun from east to west (hopefully it is the same in this world).
    Lelach can also put the place where the dangerous creature might roam in the map and its name.

    All I should know from the day of mind fusion will be known then.
    A berry would be the size of a basketball right?

    Wed Jul 8 2009 5:56 am #
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    Max
    Member

    Footnote: I was wondering if I could post the content of the journal here to ease your work but I do not know if it will be considered as spam.
    If it is alright to do so then maybe I will quote it later on.
    You may want to check the journal out as it will have some questions and future actions (that I will plan to do but not doing it now).
    The future action can be done if certain conditions are met such as making the map for the stars after finish with making map for the surrounding.

    Wed Jul 8 2009 1:14 pm #
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    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Females are not generally taught to read or write, because it is not part of their task to study the ancient writings, but only to help other sprites grow into their places in the world. Also, you don't apprentice to be an elder--you simply live long enough.

    Lelach has several needles, and a few of them are metal, but most of them are bone. Metal needles are made by humans. There are a few sprites who trade with a few humans to get a few such things.

    Nothing is being done for the baby yet because it is still months away.

    Sprites do not wear jewelry because if it gets caught in something while they are flying it can be dangerous; it can also attract the attention of birds of prey.

    You make the ink and write your latest journal entry.

    Your best estimate on the size of a sprite is roughly twelve inches tall, plus or minus. That makes everything about six times as large, relatively, as they would be. A blueberry would be the relative size of a golf ball; blackberries and raspberries would be larger, and strawberries larger yet, but I think that the relative size of a basketball would be about two inches in diameter, and there are no berries that big.

    You attempt to read a "pattern" in the fabric to use for matching, but your joined mind becomes unstable, you feel a surge of mental energy, and suddenly you lose consciousness.

    As you awaken, there is blurry light around you, plus the muffled sound of pumping fluids. You remember what happened to you, and you remember everything of which you were consciously aware over the past few days (i.e., anything included in the threads, but nothing referenced as something Lelach knows that is not given in detail), but you have lost touch with her mind, her senses, and her memories.

    You are alone in the body of the baby once again.

    This event might make the question of the journal moot, so I'm not going to address it at present. In general I don't mind you copying between threads, but I do read them both even though I don't answer the other.

    --M. J. Young

    Wed Jul 8 2009 10:27 pm #
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    Max
    Member

    Yes!! I am back to normal. Very lucky indeed.
    I wonder if that experience really boost my familiarity with Lelach.
    I hope Lelach is well too.

    Do I have enough familiarity now to read Morani mind?
    If I feel through intuition that I can read his mind (because I have met him and have memory of him) then I will try it at least 3 times.
    If I connect to him then I will practice mind reading with him.

    The mind fusion event can be categorized as a sort of telepathic connection.
    Can I contact Lelach via telepathy now because of this event?
    I will try to meditate first before trying it to calm my mind then try contacting her mind. (This will be more like people talking than reading mind.)
    I will also try this 3 times if my intuition think it is do-able.
    If I manage to connect then I will thank her for her cooperation.
    I will also ask her to update the journal if she have the time because it will be a good learning practice.
    I would also ask her if it is alright to maintain this telepathic connection or does she think that it is better not to do it?
    If she agrees to maintain the connection then maybe I will try to teach her chess or something so that we can play games in the free time.
    She can also consult with me if she needs any advice.

    The diameter of one inch berry should be about 2/3 of a basketball relatively if the berry is 6 times the original size.
    Should the question about sprite whether sprite can swim, fly in adverse weather condition and sprite heat resistance be known from the first day of mind fusion?

    Thu Jul 9 2009 5:01 am #
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    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Having met Morani is apparently not sufficient for you to have familiarity with his mind, any more than having seen a photo of a DJ helps you find him on the radio. You know what the man's body looks like, but you don't really know what his mind looks like.

    You do find it a bit easier to reach Lelach's mind. Although your mediation does not seem to help, you do connect with her telepathically on the first try, establishing a two-way communication.

    She is a bit frightened by the contact, but perhaps less so than she was before.

    She cannot update the journal, nor can she read it, because she no longer has any knowledge of the written language you brought her.

    Sprites don't really swim because they can fly, but if they fall in water they usually manage to flounder out or stay afloat until rescued. They can't hold their breath very long. Foul weather makes flying more difficult, but it depends on how foul and how good a flyer you are. As to heat resistance, it is not clear that the skin temperature of a sprite ever exceeds 110F; part of the trick is that the mithisella has such a low ignition point, and the sprite combines focused body heat with friction to meet it.

    The telepathic connection fails after about ten minutes, because you fall asleep. You awaken later, but of course don't really know how much later.

    --M. J. Young

    Sat Jul 11 2009 12:39 am #
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    Max
    Member

    So I guess even the physical image, name and reading one body expression is not enough to read one mind in my current state. I really wonder how this mind reading works.
    Can I read my own mind to see how it works or something?
    Can I explore my own mind using mind reading?
    I wonder if self mind exploration counts as mind reading?
    If I can explore my own mind, can I search my own memory to improve (or clarify) my memory on that particular subject?
    This is probably how hypnosis or memorization works.
    Do my mind reading work through contact or something?
    Can I read Morani mind if Lelach have contact with Morani?

    I will practice with meditation and telepathy every chance that I got.
    This is because it the only means of communication to the outside world right now.
    I will ask Lelach what day and time this is every time I got the connection.
    I will also ask if Lelach want to learn how to read or write in human language.
    If she agrees then I will teach her telepathically.
    Can I send a mental image or picture to Lelach and vice versa?
    If I can, then send the image of alphabet and how to write them.
    If I cannot, then I will instruct her just using words.
    Next, maybe I will teach her how to spell common words.
    Can I share my knowledge efficiently through telepathy?
    What is the limitation of my telepathy?
    Can I calculate my percentage of success versus failure if I use telepathy with meditation and telepathy without meditation?

    I wonder if Lelach has answered Morani's question on the ink issue.
    She might tell him she is interested to know about it for the future of her child if the child turn out to be male.

    Any changes in the womb?
    Can I filter out the sound in the womb and amplify the outside sound to hear what people are talking about outside if I feel someone is talking outside?

    I wonder if Lelach will want to meet me in dream so that the teaching process will be easier.
    I will ask her about this telepathically.
    If she agree then I will attempt to do it.
    This would be 'mutual dream sharing' rather than 'invade dream' right?

    Sat Jul 11 2009 7:11 pm #
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    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    You probably can read your own mind; but then, since your mind reading to this point has been focused on reading someone's conscious thoughts or tapping into their senses, and you already know your conscious thoughts and can sense what little your senses are sensing, I'm not certain what you would be attempting to read in your own mind. So clarify what you're seeking, and we'll go from there.

    As to reading your own memories, you succeed; I need to know, though, whether this is a specialized skill that enables you to tap your own memories with much greater accuracy, or a skill that lets you read anyone's memories which you happened to use on yourself.

    The difference that meditation makes is not great enough to be able to calculate with any certainty during practice, particularly since you can never be certain whether the meditation "worked" at all so all you have is that sometimes you feel more centered and it makes you feel as if you are better able to tap your inner energies. You manage to connect with Lelach somewhat less than half the time you attempt to do so, for times ranging from a minute to until you fall asleep again from mental fatigue.

    You realize abruptly one day that you are able to move your arms and legs--not well, but you can. When you raise your hand in front of your face, it is a dark blur blocking out the light.

    Can I filter out the sound in the womb and amplify the outside sound to hear what people are talking about outside if I feel someone is talking outside?

    Are you attempting to control the sound itself, or are you attempting to adjust the way you hear and/or process sound, or are you attempting to bypass your hearing entirely and "listen" to the sound by some other process?

    I'm not certain about "mutual dream sharing", because that would imply that both of you had the skill, and Lelach does not have any psionic skills. I would allow that it was easier to invade someone's dreams if you'd been invited or permitted (and thus bonused).

    Lelach is not comfortable with meeting you in her dreams. She's not comfortable conversing with you telepathically, but she's getting used to the fact that it's going to happen, and in any case she would rather be conscious and so in control of herself when she is communicating with you.

    --M. J. Young

    Sun Jul 12 2009 10:38 pm #
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    Max
    Member

    From now on, I will try to meditate before trying something new just to get a clear mind if I get the chance or enough time to do it.

    I am trying to read how I do the things with my mind.
    I want to know what part of my mind or brain activate when doing a specific thing.
    As an example, what part activates mind reading and what it need to work?
    How do the mental frequency perceived or searched in this process and can I just randomly tap into anyone mind?
    What part of my mind activate if I think of communication (spoken or written)?
    What part of it activate when I try to remember things?
    What part of my mind activate when I try to move my limb such as hand?
    This can be a reference to read other minds later on.

    As for reading my own memories it is to tap my own memory with greater accuracy so I can remember things much better (like a photographic memory perhaps).
    This skill might be able to read other memory if preceded by a mind reading others first because of a mind link.
    A chain skill perhaps or is it a different skill altogether?

    I will attempt to adjust the way I hear by processing the sound in my mind.
    I can also add the vibration that I feel to amplify the sound.
    I can feel the vibration because I can raise my hand right?
    Heavy reliance to sound input (provided you have enough mental capacity to process it) can make one sense sharper right?

    Should this be here rather than behind the scene?

    Physical contact between Lelach and Morani does not enable you to read Morani's mind.

    Lelach is still pretty upset that you are communicating with her this way, and she does not want to learn any skills she shouldn't be able to know--she's afraid that there might be something demonic going on here, and even if there isn't she's afraid that others will think that there is.

    I do not know if conscious or not will be a problem if communicating in a dream.
    If she is not comfortable conversing to me telepathically then the more the reason to communicate in the dream.
    Can I ask her what I can do to make her more comfortable about the telepathy?
    What does she interested to learn (simple counting perhaps or does she know this)?
    If she would not want to learn anything then can she teach me anything then?
    Can she tell me more about the stories of angelic or demonic beings in this world and how is my situation similar to them?
    Does she tell me what day it is when I connect with her telepathically?

    Any changes in the womb will be noted using my new memorization skill.

    Mon Jul 13 2009 7:54 pm #
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    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    I am trying to read how I do the things with my mind.
    I want to know what part of my mind or brain activate when doing a specific thing.
    As an example, what part activates mind reading and what it need to work?
    How do the mental frequency perceived or searched in this process and can I just randomly tap into anyone mind?
    What part of my mind activate if I think of communication (spoken or written)?
    What part of it activate when I try to remember things?
    What part of my mind activate when I try to move my limb such as hand?
    This can be a reference to read other minds later on.

    O.K., I'm not going to make this a skill, but I am going to state that having studied the operation of different parts of your own mind you will get +5 on creating/learning any psionic mind reading skill that targets a specific aspect of someone else's mind; I will also consider the bonus for certain other skills that would involve understanding how different parts of the mind work, so mention this bonus if you think it might be relevant.

    As for reading my own memories it is to tap my own memory with greater accuracy so I can remember things much better (like a photographic memory perhaps).
    This skill might be able to read other memory if preceded by a mind reading others first because of a mind link.
    A chain skill perhaps or is it a different skill altogether?

    You succeed in reading your own memories very clearly and vividly. Reading someone else's memories would be a distinct skill, but I will allow this one as an example to bonus success on that if you attempt it at some time.

    I will attempt to adjust the way I hear by processing the sound in my mind.
    I can also add the vibration that I feel to amplify the sound.
    I can feel the vibration because I can raise my hand right?

    The enhancement of specific audio as against the background would be one type of skill, and the conversion of vibration information on the skin into auditory information another. They can be combined, at a penalty, or learned as separate skills which enhance each other, as you prefer.

    The fact that you can move your hand means only that you have motor control to some degree. It's not even really very good motor control.

    If you are thinking that you can feel the vibrations in the amniotic fluid, or place your hand against the uterine wall, remember that everything here is designed to reduce shock and vibration significantly. It might help, but those vibrations are also muffled. You don't really feel much on your skin anyway--nerve endings there are still minimal.

    Sorry about the displaced text; I run several windows at once, and sometimes type in the wrong ones, and don't always catch the mistakes. Yes, that belonged over here.

    Lelach is uncomfortable with the very concept of telepathy, for starters; it seems like magic, and not like something a sprite ought to be able to do. Second, she is doubly disturbed that whoever or whatever is contacting her is at least pretending to be her own baby. If it is not her baby, it is some spirit attempting to terrorize her and drive her crazy. If it is her baby, then she might be giving birth to some kind of monster, something that is not really a sprite. She will be glad to teach her baby when he is born; she is reluctant either to teach anything to or learn anything from this voice in her head, whether or not it really is her baby.

    --M. J. Young

    Tue Jul 14 2009 3:20 am #
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    Max
    Member

    I will try the vibration sensing much later because of current minimal nerve ending.
    I will try to get a feel to the vibration around me to accustom myself for what is to come much later.
    Not trying for a new skill but just trying to accustom self with surrounding.
    I plan to make this (future) skill to enhance my auditory sense and vice versa.

    Enhancement of specific audio is what I had planned in mind.
    Is signal processing in mind hard to do in this world?
    Do knowledge in signal processing, mental calculation and reading the part of mind to control hearing help in any way?
    If my intuition think it is do-able then I will attempt to do it but not without meditating first to clear my mind.

    A sprite elder can do magic right?
    I am very lucky that what I have attempted seem to work better than what I have anticipated before.
    Lelach can doubt my presence as not her baby because I am not 100% sure that I am her baby.
    Can she teach me a song in spritish to ward of evil if it exists?
    That may prove that I am not evil at least.
    Well if she define a person who have telepathic power is a monster then what does human think of sprite or vice versa.
    To a human, a sprite might be a monster and to a sprite, a human might be a monster.
    So it might help to think me as a gifted child from the King.
    I will tell Lelach that the King might have some kind of plan for both of us.
    I would tell her any joke that I know or make one (using what I think would make a sprite laugh) to ease her stress.
    Making or choosing an appropriate joke might be intellect check.
    Deciding will it be funny to Lelach might be intuition check.
    What Lelach reaction to the joke might be a GE roll or do you decide just by GE roll?

    When I study my own mind, do I know how the mind reading skill works?
    What makes them work?
    Does it work by direct contact or direct visual image?
    Can a blind person initiate mind reading by using voice of others?
    Can I just randomly search for a mental frequency or is it there is no other mental frequency present other than Lelach's and mine?

    I will then try to ask the King for guidance for my situation by thinking about it.
    I will ask the King about why I am here in the first place.
    This will be like a dynamic meditation where I will try to ask myself the question and hope for a reply that come in form of intuition, dream or others.

    Do I get the 1@1 Read Memories P1@1 skill or not?
    If not, does it mean that the roll for it become the roll for 1@1 Enhanced Recollection P1@1 (read minds on self) or should it be re-rolled if any new info about the skill is known even if both skill are at P1@1?
    Or do the read memories skill are needed as a prerequisite to do enhance recollection skill?
    This question is made to clear any confusion on my skill list.

    Tue Jul 14 2009 3:22 pm #
27. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Is signal processing in mind hard to do in this world?

    As compared to what? I'm assuming that what you are attempting to do is not something you've ever done before. If I'm wrong, then you need to tell me more about what you've done in the past that is either this or like this. If I'm right, then you would have no way of knowing whether this is easier or more difficult as compared with other worlds.

    A sprite elder can do magic right?

    Technically, you don't know what a sprite elder can do; you know what Lelach thinks a sprite elder can do. She believes that such elders represent the people in a way that enables them better to get answers to requests on behalf of the people. She does not know how that works, but probably would not call it "magic".

    Can she teach me a song in spritish to ward of evil if it exists?

    That would be magic. She does not know any magic.

    Well if she define a person who have telepathic power is a monster then what does human think of sprite or vice versa.

    Actually, humans think sprites are vermin who mimic human behavior. Humans kill sprites, apparently for sport.

    So yes, sprites think that humans are monsters.

    So it might help to think me as a gifted child from the King.
    I will tell Lelach that the King might have some kind of plan for both of us.

    This does appeal to her, and she relaxes some. It suggests you might be like Tonathel, one of the heroes in the writings who saved the sprites from the elves long ago. Of course, there's nothing about Tonathel in the writings that said he could use telepathic powers, but there were other heroes, and each was different, and even if none had telepathic powers that doesn't mean that such things are impossible for the King.

    When I study my own mind, do I know how the mind reading skill works?

    Yes. You are in essence tuning your mind to the frequency of the person whose mind you are reading, so that their thoughts come into your head. Once you know someone's "frequency" by tuning into them once, you can do it again, but until you know their frequency you have to know very precisely where they are relative to you so that you can focus on that spot--something you cannot do from your current position, as you can't even really be certain which way is up sometimes.

    As to whether a blind person could use sound to locate a target, there's no way you could know the answer to that question.

    Can I just randomly search for a mental frequency or is it there is no other mental frequency present other than Lelach's and mine?

    There are more possible mental frequencies than there are all creatures of any kind including plants and microorganisms in the entire multiverse, and the precision with which you must target one individual frequency is so exacting that your effort might be comparable to trying to hit the center square on a checkerboard in Manhattan by throwing pebbles from Mars.

    I will then try to ask the King for guidance for my situation by thinking about it.
    I will ask the King about why I am here in the first place.
    This will be like a dynamic meditation where I will try to ask myself the question and hope for a reply that come in form of intuition, dream or others.

    I am assuming that this is a silent prayer-by-thought, and not an attempt at some sort of psionic skill. That would make it a prayer for guidance. Do you concur?

    If so, for how long are you "praying", and apart from thinking these questions in a meditative and prayerful attitude, are you doing anything else?

    Do I get the 1@1 Read Memories P1@1 skill or not?
    If not, does it mean that the roll for it become the roll for 1@1 Enhanced Recollection P1@1 (read minds on self) or should it be re-rolled if any new info about the skill is known even if both skill are at P1@1?
    Or do the read memories skill are needed as a prerequisite to do enhance recollection skill?

    You taught yourself to read your own memories, a P1@1 read minds variant which is being listed as Enhanced Recollection. That skill does not work to read the memories of other people, and you have not to this point attempted to read anyone else's memories; you could, of course, attempt to read Lelach's memories, because you have her frequency. Doing so would be teaching yourself a new skill, but you would gain a bonus on the attempt to learn that skill based on the fact that you already know how to read your own memories, which is similar. That bonus would be the skill ability level you have on this skill, currently 1@1 (in addition to your BRA, your bias, and the world bias level, but minus the 1@1 target skill bias). If you improve your ability to read your own memories (which ordinarily takes months of disciplined regular practice) you will improve the bonus you would get for learning this other skill.

    So the ability to read memories of others is not yet on your skill sheet, because although you have an example that will help you figure out how to do it, you've not yet actually taught yourself the skill.

    I should add that in theory you can teach yourself how to do something without actually doing it, but it's rather difficult to describe doing that when you're talking about a psionic skill such as this. That's more common with tech skills, where you can learn everything you need to know to repair a device from a book, and thus have the skill even though you've never repaired the device.

    --M. J. Young

    Tue Jul 14 2009 11:36 pm #
28. 

    Max
    Member

    As compared to what? I'm assuming that what you are attempting to do is not something you've ever done before. If I'm wrong, then you need to tell me more about what you've done in the past that is either this or like this. If I'm right, then you would have no way of knowing whether this is easier or more difficult as compared with other worlds.

    How about concentrating on hearing news via television where the volume is low and there are many people chatting loudly. In this situation, I have to be called several times to be aware of my surroundings. Not only I have to enhance a specific voice (of news presenter) but I have to filter out the loud noises around me. I also have to fill the gap with probable word if I miss something.
    There are also other example of signal processing such as temporary synesthesia where I combine one trait to another such as certain behavior/personality/presence to color, certain action/intent to repulsive feeling, certain equation to right/wrong feeling and others. Face recognition might combine certain face (which is processed by using certain characteristics) to certain name.
    Signal processing can also be done by utilizing two or more senses to get a combined information from it. This is called multimodal interaction that is demonstrated by the McGurk effect.
    Does the above examples satisfactory to know about the difficulty of signal processing in this world?
    If I think it is more or less the same difficulty then I will attempt the enhancement of specific audio skill or do I already have this skill in my skill list?

    Technically, you don't know what a sprite elder can do; you know what Lelach thinks a sprite elder can do. She believes that such elders represent the people in a way that enables them better to get answers to requests on behalf of the people. She does not know how that works, but probably would not call it "magic".

    Can we call it King's answer or miracle then?

    Actually, humans think sprites are vermin who mimic human behavior. Humans kill sprites, apparently for sport.

    I hope not all human think like that in this world.
    There must be some decent human around that will trade with sprite such as the person who traded the metal needle with Lelach.

    This does appeal to her, and she relaxes some. It suggests you might be like Tonathel, one of the heroes in the writings who saved the sprites from the elves long ago. Of course, there's nothing about Tonathel in the writings that said he could use telepathic powers, but there were other heroes, and each was different, and even if none had telepathic powers that doesn't mean that such things are impossible for the King.

    This is what Lelach's grandmother told her right?
    Is Lelach's grandmother still alive now and what is her name?
    I ask Lelach to tell me more about Tonathel and friends adventure such as how they save the sprites from the elves. I would love to hear about them.
    I am glad that she relaxes more so I think I do not have to make a joke to cheer her up.

    Once you know someone's "frequency" by tuning into them once, you can do it again, but until you know their frequency you have to know very precisely where they are relative to you so that you can focus on that spot--something you cannot do from your current position, as you can't even really be certain which way is up sometimes.

    Can I know the position of Lelach's brain or mind relative to mine when I do telepathy or is this a new skill?
    If I can, then the location of up is towards Lelach's mind provided that the mind resides within the brain.
    Or does the mental frequency covers the whole body of a person?
    If it covers the whole body can the body shape be known (or at least the part that the mind frequency covers)?
    If I do not know Lelach's position, then I will try a new skill by doing the reverse of what mind reading needed to do first; that is knowing the position of a person (of known frequency) relative to me.

    As to whether a blind person could use sound to locate a target, there's no way you could know the answer to that question.

    Not for now at least, but I will keep this in mind.

    I am assuming that this is a silent prayer-by-thought, and not an attempt at some sort of psionic skill. That would make it a prayer for guidance. Do you concur?

    Yes.

    If so, for how long are you "praying", and apart from thinking these questions in a meditative and prayerful attitude, are you doing anything else?

    I will do this for one consciousness cycle that is about 10 minutes. During this time the answer might come as an intuition. If I fell asleep then the answer will probably come in form of dream or others.
    I think I would not do anything other than praying in this consciousness cycle.

    An experiment to know whether I am really her child:
    I will tell her telepathically (if my telepathy connects in a practice) that I will try to move my leg.
    Can Lelach feel my movement if I try to move my legs?
    If she can, can she feel the vibration of movement with her hands?
    If she can, do Lelach want to share this moment with Morani or will she keep it to herself?

    Wed Jul 15 2009 12:54 pm #
29. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    How about concentrating on hearing news....Does the above examples satisfactory to know about the difficulty of signal processing in this world?

    Yes, and it suggests that this is a skill you already have, a P3@0 sensitivity variant, the ability to focus your attention on part of the sensory information available to you. Are you an amateur or a professional at this? How good an amateur or professional (relative to other amateurs or professionals)?

    King's answer is fine.

    Lelach's grandmother is very elderly and is cared for by Lelach's parents; she rarely goes out and rarely has visitors, spending most of her time resting.

    The short version of the story of Tonathel: there was a war between the elves and the gnomes. The sprites shared part of the forest with the elves at that time, and the elves insisted that the sprites should fight with them; but sprites believed it was morally wrong to kill other creatures "made in the image of the King", and so would not attack the gnomes. The elves then declared that the sprites were traitors or spies, working with the gnomes, and threatened their lives. Tonathel led the sprites out of their shared homeland into the realms they now inhabit. The King showed him the way and helped them on their journey. This was a very very long time ago.

    No. Although it is possible to determine the frequency of a mind by focusing on its physical location, reversing the process is not part of the mind reading/telepathic ability. You could detect the position of Lelach's mind, probably, but not with these skills. As to where the mind "resides", it seems to be part of the spirit, which is attached to the body, but its exact point of attachment is rather vague (it's not really attached in the physical world, but is an interfacing point between the spiritual and the material. As far as what you can tell from the frequency, you only really know Lelach's and your own, so that's too small a sample size to determine too much.

    As to detecting the location of Lelach's mind, you could attempt simply to detect thought and find the directions to the strongest thinking creatures in the area, of which Lelach would probably be the strongest (because of proximity) unless she happens not to be thinking at that moment (e.g., asleep); but it would not give you the location, only the direction. You could instead use Lelach's mind as a "known landmark" for a type of detect location, giving you your distance and direction from her mind; but it can only be used thus because you can treat her mind as a known fixed point in your limited world, and that would not enable you to detect the location of some other object. There are ways to read minds that do not involve knowing either the frequency or the location, but these are significantly different from what you are doing.

    To work out what happens when you pray, I'm going to have to ask you a few questions about your religion--

    • How religious/religiously educated are you? How do you compare with the average person, the average church member, the average minister?
    • Do you believe you have ever successfully prayed for guidance before? If so, tell me something about it in some detail.
    • Is it your opinion that The King to whom you are addressing this prayer probably is or probably is not the same deity as the god of your human faith? Do you think that matters? Why or why not?

    When you swing your leg, you do not connect with anything solid, and it does not move very fast. You seem at this point to be floating in a lake, but that you are completely submerged and do not need to breathe. It is doubtful whether you even moved yourself much with how feeble the kick was.

    --M. J. Young

    Fri Jul 17 2009 12:31 am #
30. 

    Max
    Member

    My previous post really combines OOC and PC together but can be used both ways. It really feels like meta-gaming in a way but I do sometime think of life in gaming sort of way.

    I am probably average at P3@0 sensitivity variant because I thought that most of the people can do it but probably that was not the case. I did not know what is professional level for it but maybe if someone can hear heartbeat from others from far away then maybe that is the professional level of it. If that is the professional level then I think I have not reach that yet but if you meant discerning a specific known voice (at normal television viewing distance at restaurant/food stall with normal low volume) from other interferences (such as loud chatting) then maybe.
    I have known Lelach and Morani voice right?
    I should be able to discern their voice from interferences right?
    Can I find Morani's exact location relative to mine or just his general direction from his voice?
    Can I calculate the talking distance of Lelach and Morani using voice and behavioral data that I got from mind fusion?

    I hope that I can visit Lelach's parents and grandmother later on and pay my respects for them for everything that they have done to raise Lelach to be a fine mother.
    I would also love to hear tales from Lelach's parents and grandmother.

    Tonathel's story is interesting. I wonder if elves (if they survive the attack of gnomes) on their homeland still have resentment for sprites for not helping them. I hope that elves and gnomes have achieved peace in their homeland and forget the grudge that they hold for each other (sprites included). It also kind of suggest that there are a pathway to go to this world from the world of elves.
    I wonder if this pathway is sealed or is it still open.
    If it is open, does it have a way to go back to elves world or is it a one-way path?
    Is Tonathel a sprite who is a person in previous life just like me?
    This questions linger in my mind and I will keep it for future reference.

    How my mind reading skill works fascinates me.
    It means that after I found the interfacing point of mind and body I will be connected to that mind.
    The landmark or mind-mark of interfacing point is interesting to note.
    Well, at least now I know where up is when Lelach is standing or sitting upright.
    I know that there are various variant to read people minds and having more more ways than one to read people mind helps a lot.
    I would also like to try reading mind using the voice characteristics such as pitch, volume and others to evaluate one's mental state.
    This is probably a branch from read body language and expression skill that is fused with sensitivity variant.
    I will meditate and attempt this mind reading with voice variant to see what Morani is thinking at that time if I ever manage to hear his voice.

    Does going to a religious school means that I am religiously educated?
    I am probably an average member of a religion and I research other religion to find a common point that leads a person to healthy life style.
    I do believe that researching each religion and believe may empower someone to be closer to the Truth and thus be closer to God.

    I have pray to be lead to the right path and when I reflect back on my past there are many events that people thought are coincidental happens around me (such as the happenings in this forum and how I directly found this game) that lead me to where I am right now and I do believe it is the right one.
    I have the intuition that I am about to lead a divergent life style by using palm reading. The life line splits in two where one of it signify death around the age I am right now probably because of versing but this is maybe coincidental.

    I believe that God have plenty of names, so King might be one of God's name.
    I believe at the highest level there must be an individual (or collective depending how people see it) that governs all reality, so I do believe it is the same at least at the fundamental level.
    If God can create one world then what is obstructing God from creating another?
    I also believe that God is omniscient (thus can read my mind) so even a simple prayer can be answered if it is the time for the prayer to be answered and vice versa.

    Any significant changes in situation inside or outside the womb?
    How much time has passed and what is the estimated time of birth (ETB)?

    Fri Jul 17 2009 1:24 pm #

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