But there are creatures with 3@ strength docile enough to be trained by someone who has the wits but lacks the strength, no?
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Maybe.
Remember, a training program for a 3@ strength has to be triple tripled, and must pack all that work into a relatively short period of time to be effective. That means the trainer is going to have to drive the beast rather hard--and even a docile beast is likely to kick against the goads if pushed hard enough. On the other hand, if the beast is so docile that you can push it that hard to make it that strong, the fact that it has a 3@ strength is not going to turn it into a combat monster no matter what else you do, pretty much.
--M. J. Young
Sat Dec 6 2008 1:05 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberI saw a side by side comparison of the strengths of various animals up against the record strengths of humans. Pound for pound, an elephant is actually weaker than a human. I don't remember the exact numbers, but the human record was 4 times the lifter's body weight of about 500 pounds. The elephant's record, while a considerably larger amount of weight, was only about 1 1/2 times the elephant's body weight. (Of course, it was only using its trunk to lift the weight....)
The one that got me is that a flea can jump 10 inches. (So, anyone can jump 10 inches!!) It works out to something like 250 times the flea's body length. That would be like a human who was 5 feet tall jumping 1,250 feet.
Sat Dec 6 2008 4:34 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberYeah, and that's something that really bugs me about Atheists. We have an animal that can jump the equivalent of a quarter mile, and people still insist that there is no God.....
And Osevens. We were both talking about scale. You went to the large side, I went to the small side.
Sat Dec 6 2008 9:22 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberTwo posts
I need to correct something I said earlier. The elephant only used its trunk AND TUSKS to lift the weight. It was still a great deal more than what the human ultimately lifted, but by scale, a much smaller amount.
But ya know what else though? I'd like to see which one of them could carry it longer....
Which one could carry their maximum weight longer? Any distance, any speed, so long as it is off the ground. And of course, to keep it fair, the human can't use any kind of mechanical advantages. The elephant doesn't know how to use wheels, pulleys, levers, etc, after all. My money would be on the elephant in a heartbeat.
And here's something to think about. If a flea can jump 1,250 feet, what would happen if it kicked you? If you were lucky, it would probably throw you about 800 feet. What happens to your opponent if you kick them? Is that anywhere close to what the flea can do to you? I'd say our ONLY advantage over these insects is that we ARE bigger than they are.
Sat Dec 6 2008 10:50 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberThree posts
And did you know that ants are actually incredibly intelligent? They are the only other species of animal ON EARTH besides humans that go into battle in lines and formations.
Now I'm thinking about a giant insect world. A few months ago, I would have started a new thread and rambled for several hours. I still need to finish DayWalkers!!!!! See? Therapy's Working!!!!!!
Just a nudge, in case anyone's taken inspiration. A world that evolved (cough cough) where ants were the dominant species. Not humanoid ants, not the giant ants of the B Movie genre. Ants that would be, on scale, the size of humans.
Sat Dec 6 2008 11:37 am # -
johnosevens
MemberA1Nut - An atheist would argue that today's fleas can jump a quarter of a flea mile because the fleas that couldn't died out, and only the quarter-mile fleas lived to breed.
I agree with you on the flea thing. A flea the size of a man would be scary. Personally, I'd be trying to figure out how to put a saddle on it.
And... an ant world? Really?
I'm not saying it's a terrible idea, it just seems more like a stall world than somewhere I'd want to leave anyone for a long time. Ants don't exactly communicate with anything that isn't another ant, after all, so I don't see a Verser getting swept up in an ant war (the Black Army vs the Redshells, perhaps?). At best I could see a momentary look of confusion, followed by, "Good Gods that's a lot of ants..." *chomp* Next Verse. And chomped by ants is one of those ways I really hope I never Verse Out.Sat Dec 6 2008 6:06 pm # -
JohnA1nut
MemberOsevens, regarding putting a saddle on a flea. Think about it. How long does it take a flea to cover that 10 inch distance when it jumps? A man-sized flea would be covering the quarter mile distance in the exact same amount of time!! How fast would it be going? I'd be surprised if it wasn't moving at supersonic speeds at that point.
Sun Dec 7 2008 1:54 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberTwo posts.
Just for the fun of it, I decided to figure out how fast it would be moving. I don't imagine it would take more than about 1/10th of a second for the flea to jump 10 inches. (If anyone has or can find more accurate data, feel free to let me know.) That means that it would be going 2.5 miles a second, 150 miles a minute, 9,000 miles an hour. The speed of sound is 767 miles per hour at sea level. That works out to MACH 11.73. We have SPACESHIPS that can't go that fast!!!!! God made an animal that could jump a quarter of a mile at almost MACH 12!!!!!!!!!!!! And people say there is no God!!!!!!!
Sun Dec 7 2008 5:33 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberThree Posts, and it's the last
I was also wondering about how much the ant would weigh if it was the size of a human. Osevens and I did some research on it, and we found out something interesting.
For the scale of the ant to be the size of the person, the size to weight ratio would make it an ant that was 6 feet long, and probably weighing several metric tonnes!!! It wouldn't be able to walk!!!! The only reason the ant's body works at all is BECAUSE of it's small size. However, that means that, to an ant, it DOES weigh several metric tonnes, and is in fact lifting 50 times that weight.*
*I've seen anywhere from 20 times to 50 times as the estimate. I've heard 50 times from the largest variety of sources, so its the one I use.
Sun Dec 7 2008 10:24 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberFour Posts, however, it's been 16 hours since the last.
I asked a friend of mine about fleas jumping. He said that if it were true that the flea got to scale MACH 12 at the large speed, then you would still hear little sonic booms every time a normal flea jumped. He couldn't explain why, because his phone battery was dying, but he said that "Speed is not exponential." As his only explanation. Does anyone know what he was talking about?
Mon Dec 8 2008 3:03 am # -
JohnA1nut
MemberMultiple posts (I'm doing therapy, I said "Within Reason" Within Reason used to mean 24 posts in a row. This has to be an improvement)
MJ, what you said about the incredible pool table shot? Think about it!!! God disguised the single most versatile and useful medication known to man in a way that would ensure that it would be distributed to the Masses. I mean come on MJ!!! Throw the anti-drug remarks away and think about the facts!!!!!! As a Christian, and as a believer in science, you have to admit that this is completely possible.
Did you know that nutmeg (yes, nutmeg!!) can give you a high very similar to marijuana??? Taken in large doses, it causes a very similar kind of high. (I've tried it) It's also available in every single grocery store in the country!!!! Why isn't nutmeg illegal? Maybe because it has almost no medical value?????? Tell me that God couldn't have set it up exactly that way??????????????
I mean this is The Ultimate "What If?" Factor!!!! The entire point of the Multiverse!!!! God could have set it up from the beginning of time that the single most useful medicine would also be the absolutely most popular recreational drug!!! I mean there could be some low-grade psychotics who are doing exactly the same kind of therapy that I am doing, and they don't even realize it!!!!! They just like the feeling of being high, and so medicate a mental illness that they don't even know they have!!!!!! I mean come on MJ!!! God created Manna, right? They ate those for 40 years in the desert. Show me where it records anyone complaining about that!!!! It was food from God!!!! It was better than anything they had ever tasted!!!! They didn't complain about it!!!!! Is it so unreasonable that marijuana is the modern day equivalent of Manna? The medicine that cures just about anything, and by its very nature, ALSO very popular among recreational users, thus ensuring its widespread use!!!!!!
Mon Dec 8 2008 6:16 am # -
John, get yourself a blog or something.
You've turned a thread about realistic game mechanics into a call for legalization of an illegal substance, and a rant against anyone who disagrees with you.
Nutmeg is legal because it has been used in cooking for centuries. Marijuana has not been. Incidentally, nutmeg overdoses are fatal, and there is a very thin line between the effective dose and the fatal dose. You are fortunate to be alive.
--M. J. Young
Tue Dec 9 2008 3:06 am #
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