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Jhiaxus
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Well for the first 5 men, going to teach them Immobilizer B7@5, once they get to a 1@2 with Steal Initiative, the 2 newer men, will continue down the same training track I layed out for the first 5. The 35 Bandits and Leader will be taught the first in the list.

I am also considering getting everyone to work on attributes, Strength, Agility, Stamina, Intuition and Hand/Eye, I should have a lot of experience raising them for myself to know a good training program for them with tasks that need to be done around the castle.

I am overseeing Horace's and Snowbeard's training, as I find it amusing that the animals will fight better than most men on this world.

I will make sure my wife does get attention, and hoping we get more female servants to perhaps mingle with the men. Or just women in general, if they want to fight.

Adam

Wed Nov 10 2010 3:23 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

It is improbable that you would find women interested in becoming warriors of any sort. That is viewed as the barbarian way--something the ancient Picts did, which was perhaps forced on the Saxons and Celts in the defense of their own homes but not desired.

You'll have a bit more trouble with the question of female servants now that you have about fifty men (note: the leader is one of the thirty-five, if memory serves). The men will all be interested in the women, but the women will generally assume that if they marry one of the fighters they'll retire from the household staff (after all, men who study fighting skills are nobles, and that makes them Ladies). Further, you'll not have enough women on the household staff to go around, even if the men weren't likely to take interest in some of the women over others. Your farms aren't numerous enough to have extra women and you've got no village--and even if you did, it would more likely attract married couples than single women.

So you're developing something of a single women shortage.

--M. J. Young

Thu Nov 11 2010 6:26 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

bump

Thu Nov 11 2010 1:35 pm #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Nods, well the women here will be told, that no one here is noble, so if you get involved with a man, you will still be expected to uphold your duties. Kyler does have a good idea on the other thread. Prostitutes have nothing to lose, and are obviously women who don't follow the traditional woman code anyway. Inbetween training sessions, I can send Horce to the major cities and put up a notice requesting women of the night, and have them meet in a port city so they can take a ship to the port city a day from here, without having to deal with walking the roads at night. That way when they come, they can either choose to be trained, or be part of the staff. Either is a better life than what they had. I expect that merchants are passing this way now, I can give them notes to have these women said, and have me pick them up and pay them for passage when at port.*

Adam

Thu Nov 11 2010 5:55 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

You might have to make a few trips to the harbor on this. After all, most captains won't carry passengers who are not pre-paid fares, unless they're slaves to be sold.

I expect that most prostitutes work out of brothels in this milieu anyway; that gives them something of a home and the mutual support of others in the trade. They would also be entertainers to some degree. The exception might be Gypsies, but they won't have crossed the Channel.

So it's an interesting concept, but not one that's likely to work simply by sending invitations.

--M. J. Young

Fri Nov 12 2010 4:07 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

Funny organized brothels are a middle ages at earliest or victorian invention, before that and even during, streetwalkers are a common scene, in any case the harbor town a day's journey is probably a good place to recruit women be they wenches, prostitutes, or just folks off a boat.

I will make arrangements for Geneice to train the seven, I will take the 35 newcomers, with the two wagons, the rest on horses and some coin. We need to buy more wagons, to work a trade route anyway, and I can personally see to the men getting something to stay for.

J

Fri Nov 12 2010 5:36 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

Hmmm--obviously not my field of expertise, but I am surprised. I guess you just expect professionals to have an office somewhere. Dice have now been rolled--you're right about streetwalkers, but you still have the transportation issues.

I'm afraid about half of your newcomers think that they would be sufficiently unwelcome in town that they might be made permanent guests, whether of the prisons or the catacombs. Their companions agree that it would be unlikely those with such feelings would be permitted to enter the city and leave unhindered. In fact, it might be one thing one or two of them sneaking in among some merchants, but the whole bunch arriving together is probably going to alert the city guard.

--M. J. Young

Sun Nov 14 2010 3:06 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Thinks on it*

"Well we need a talbard or something that identifies us as being together in an organization."

*Considers*

"We do have the wagons, those of you with a reputation here can stay with the wagons, we will make the purchases, the arrangements for the women, and more wagons, and then we'll bring the supplies out by wagon, transfer them, go back for the rest, and not have to risk those who would go into the city. If your sitting on a wagon, buying merchandise, no one is going to not want you here. You are being a good citizen. Agreed?"

Adam

Sun Nov 14 2010 3:02 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

"Aye, if we're wearing monks' robes with the hoods pulled over our head so no passing knight will see our faces," one of them says. "When I say we're wanted men, I mean that we've made enough enemies among the wealthy folk of Angland to get ourselves 'anged, if you catch my meaning."

The leader is not sure he wants to be that close to civilization.

"But you're the boss, and if you think we can do this, we'll make it work."

--M. J. Young

Tue Nov 16 2010 5:02 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Looks to them*

"There is no Knight or man of England that has dominion over a Lord. You have been tried, convicted, put in jail, and are now on a rehabilitation program. I will get the robes, but no one will be hanged. If the situation comes up, you will say you are the prisoners of The Stonefist Academy, and Ashe Valerin is your Master. All of that is technically true, and as long as you respond non-violently, I foresee no problem that I cannot rectify. Once coin is spent, you will find men will act toward you as you present yourselves. If you present yourselves as brigands, you will be treated as such. If you present yourselves as law abiding people enriching the local economy, they will treat you as such."

Adam

Tue Nov 16 2010 1:42 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

Geneice says, "There are half a dozen robes in a closet behind the chapel. If they can agree on who the most notorious and recognizable of their number are, we can start with those."

There is some bickering about who is more notorious, obviously driven by the latent fear that you actually might not be able to save them from a knight bent on executing a recognized criminal, but within half an hour six of them are clad in cowls and everyone is ready to go.

--M. J. Young

Tue Nov 16 2010 6:38 pm #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Nods*

"We will go with the plan, the six robed men and myself make the transactions, the rest wait nearby with the wagons, Geneice and the first seven will stay here to make sure things stay ship shape. If all goes well, we will arrange for the women of the night, perhaps some scullary wenches, and just women period, we get supplies and wagons we will need to start being the go between from here to Camelot. Let's go, and see what we can do."

Adam

Tue Nov 16 2010 8:43 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

You hit the road. The six robed men are uncertain about the notion that they will be the ones to enter the city with you--after all, they're wearing the robes so that if anyone happens to see them they might pass unrecognized, and it's pushing their luck actually to talk to anyone. But at this point it's just conversation among the men, not any questions raised to you.

You roll up outside the city maybe an hour or so before sunset after a smooth trip.

"They'll lock the gates at sunset," one of the men says. "We can have camp ready, certainly, out here on the commons, but will you be back by then?"

--M. J. Young

Thu Nov 18 2010 2:40 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Shakes his head*

"Let's just setup camp, if we are peaceful overnight, we are less likely to gain any undo attention when morning comes, and can conduct our business and get back to the keep."

Adam

Thu Nov 18 2010 2:08 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

You pitch camp. It starts raining before you've finished dinner, and those assigned to clean up get a bit damp, but it never rains hard enough to douse your fires and the wind off the ocean stays moderate.

Morning arrives uneventfully.

--M. J. Young

Thu Nov 18 2010 5:48 pm #
Jhiaxus
Member

*That is good, we will close up camp, and head in with the wagons and head to the shops and seaport when they are open. I know the men are spooked, but I have no fear, that I have the ability to diffuse any situation that could come up, save for plague, really no way to deal with that cept for death.*

*I am looking for necessary things for the keep, more wagons and draft horses to pull them, trade goods for Camelot, I'm sure they are having problems getting shipments in. Also finding/talking to wenches, prostitutes, other women to hire on, or teach. Then giving the captains the notices and some coin to transport any that show up. The notices are saying looking for men/women, any occupation, for training and or work at the Stonefist Academy. It will say to talk to ((list captains here when they are in port, for passage))*

*I am spending money, so I figure if we can transport goods safely to Camelot, we can make it back*

Adam

Thu Nov 18 2010 7:00 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

Announcing yourself at the gate, you get questions by the guard captain as to exactly where Stonefist Academy is. He accepts your explanation, and lets you enter with your men, although it's evident to you that he puts someone on your group to watch your activities.

You have little trouble getting goods, which come in by ship daily and don't travel far beyond the port. Food, drink, clothing, some arms and armor (although this is not bulk produced in this world) are all relatively cheap, as goods are when the sellers are trying to move them. Wagons are a bit pricey, as are draft horses, but you are able to obtain these as well, although at prices which make up for your savings on the goods.

The women prove more problematic. The problem is that you are a man, and all your men are also men. The women here either avoid talking to strange men entirely or do so one-on-one as business propositions. The only women you can engage in conversation beyond that are in the local retail trades, running street carts with their husbands. (There are also daughters, but the fathers tend to intervene if the conversation veers away from "how much for this?")

Two or three prostitutes take an interest in business up north, but they're not entirely persuaded that there's enough business to support them--they've got sailors coming in daily here who have not seen a woman in long enough to be willing to part with significant amounts of pay for the illusion of interest.

--M. J. Young

Fri Nov 19 2010 10:46 pm #
Jhiaxus
Member

*I pose the question to the prostitutes that will listen*

"You misunderstand my intentions. I don't intend for you to service anyone. What I am saying is you are doing a job for money, with which to live, eat, put a roof over your head. If you didn't have a need for money, or to worry about a roof, or about food, would you want to use the time to better yourselves, be able to fight back against a man who wishes to hurt you? What I offer is protection, training, a meal, and a bed. If you decide to stay with a man, that is fine. I offer a piece of the noble life, learning skills that are helpful, and most of all let you choose your own path."

Adam

Fri Nov 19 2010 11:28 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

It takes a lot of effort, but eventually one of them says, "Wait a minute, are you saying that you think women can be trained to be knights?"

The others laugh at this suggestion, but when it's apparent that you are serious, she says, "Well, I find it difficult to imagine myself in a suit of armor on the back of a horse, but if you're offering food and shelter for nothing other than that I let you try to teach me that stuff, I'll play the game.

"But then, you've got a gang of rather unsavory men with you. What assurances do I have that this isn't just a clever plan to lure me out into the wilderness where I'm helpless?"

--M. J. Young

Sun Nov 21 2010 10:42 pm #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Nods*

"To answer the first, I do not expect you to wear metal armor and ride on a horse, I expect you to wear lightweight armor, as equally as protective as steel. *Knocks on my breastplate of my black body forming armor. The second, these unsavory men have been defeated by me single alone, and they have decided to repent their old ways, and adopt some new ones. Now if you decide you like one of them, then you can decide to take one as your mate, no one will be raped or abused on my watch, or they will suffer a fate worse than death.

*Smiles*

"What say you ladies? Food, water, shelter, training, armor, weapons, and your pick of men. You have my assurances that everything I said is true, my men can back up most of it from their own experiences. I am Ashe Valerin, Of Stonefist Academy, and you have my word, that my word and intentions are true."

Adam

Sun Nov 21 2010 11:13 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

They look at each other, and the one who seems to be the linchpin of the group says, "Come on, girls, we've got a nobleman waiting to teach us to be his court. Let's get our things.

"Where should we be in an hour?"

--M. J. Young

Tue Nov 23 2010 1:05 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Smiles and nods*

"Meet us by the front gate, If you have any friends you wish to make the offer to, by all means, I look forward in having your company, and training you ladies."

Adam

Tue Nov 23 2010 1:13 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

You gather your other supplies, wagons, horses, and pack your camp, and are met at the gate by six women. They are surprised to find your wife present, and doubly surprised to see that her armor is similar to yours. The feeling is that that means you're serious about training them as knights, and that some of the other girls might have come had they known that there was already a girl in the program.

It's too late to find them now, though, unless you want to delay a day.

--M. J. Young

Wed Nov 24 2010 3:03 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*I do a quick consult with the men*

"We can wait a day, we might as well get as many of you in at the start as possible. I don't think the men will mind another night in commons for that reason. I don't think Geneice would mind talking to the other girls. She is easily my equal, in all things martial."

Adam

Wed Nov 24 2010 3:12 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

As you anticipated, the men are not at all resistant to the notion of waiting an extra day for more women. It is an uneventful night, although the watch on the wall keeps an eye on your camp.

The next day, one of the women takes Geniece back into the city, and she returns with another eight women, for a total of fourteen.

They have not been trained for horseback riding.

--M. J. Young

Fri Nov 26 2010 12:15 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*We did purchase more wagons, so I'm sure we can shift supplies into the other wagons, and onto some horses, and make a wagon a transport wagon. I expect morale with the men to improve, and should be an interesting experience, it's a very good start, it also means I have to start looking into a duplicate object spell to start making copies of our armor, but if that is a problem I am going to have, I am not unhappy to have it. Once everyone is settled, we will set off, not wanting to worry the others at the keep we are late one day. and not wanting to extend that to more than one. I think the results will be worth the effort. Heading back.*

Adam

Fri Nov 26 2010 12:25 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

It starts raining almost as soon as you are on the road--not hard, but enough to dampen everyone and everything. There is reason to believe that the cases for whatever supplies need to be kept dry are as weatherproof as can be hoped in this world.

By the time you reach home, everyone is cold, wet, and tired, and you've got more people in your crew than the team at the castle planned to feed, but they have made hot mulled wine which warms most bodies and spirits some, and with a bit of extra work the stew stretches to feed the crew.

The next step is to figure out where everyone changes clothes, given that everyone is sleeping in the common room together and you've now got a co-ed group.

--M. J. Young

Sat Nov 27 2010 3:00 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*We can make one of the private rooms a male changing area, and another a female changing area. We did get more supplies, so we are going to have to make more mattresses, but it was likely on my mind anyway with 35 new people, so the next few days a lot of bedmaking, and adjusting all around.*

*Now that everyone is together*

"Once we get the logistics out of the way, we will start training for the new people, as well as continue it for the older students. We number around 60 now, just those of us teaching or training, not counting the other staff we have working here. We will all need to work together to make sure that this place survives. I am grateful to have all of you here, and we will get you trained to be knights. There is a great evil on the horizon, and you will be the first step in training people how to fight it."

Adam

Sat Nov 27 2010 3:55 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

It takes a few days to make decent straw mattresses for everyone. It's a bit awkward in the interim, because the women will share with the women but the men won't share with the men, only with the women, who are not yet eager to share mattresses with the men. But that becomes an incentive to get more mattresses made quickly. Feather mattresses will take considerably longer, as you don't have enough feathers to make more than one or two at present, and it takes a long time to grow and gather enough feathers even if you kill a few birds for dinners. (Down takes even longer.)

I'm looking at a clear six months in which you will be undisturbed and able to focus on training. Do you have any other plans you want to include in that time?

--M. J. Young

Sun Nov 28 2010 11:23 pm #
Jhiaxus
Member

*As we raise more animals, and bird, and have more feathers, we can start making feather mattresses for everyone, but as long as everyone works together, it will only get better.*

*Nope, unless Camelot is asking for goods, then we will get them some, but they seem to be managing alright*

Adam

Sun Nov 28 2010 11:40 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator

Well, there's a reason why only wealthy people sleep on feather beds under down comforters on down or feather pillows: it takes a lot of feathers to make one. At this point, too, I think you have more people living in the castle than you have farmers farming the land, which means your tax rate is going to be pretty high unless you have some other way of feeding these people over the long term.

But for six months you're going to manage fine. That will carry you through the winter. There is some argument about whether the women ought to shovel snow and equally whether the men ought to cook and wash, but these are matters of defining the roles and the routines which you can settle however you decide. The women are generally more interested in being trained as knights than working as household servants. Your training techniques are solid, so it's unlikely that anyone will wash out of the program.

--M. J. Young

Tue Nov 30 2010 12:48 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*As for the farming, we take one day a week break, and we help out the farmers, and one day off, 5 days a week training is enough for results. Everyone, including myself and Geneice do part of all the work. Everyone does everything, until we have the staff and farms to support us without pitching in. It's a good exercise in humility, and showing we are no better than the common man. It will also build a sense of appreciation of the training. I think it is all for the best. I don't plan for anyone to wash out, the training is done to make sure anyone can learn it and excel.*

Adam

Tue Nov 30 2010 1:11 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

I take that to mean that there's no gender preference in the chores, either--men will also cook, women will also shovel snow.

With the coming of spring your farmers are happy for the help one day a week with the plowing and planting. The men bring the horses down to help with this as well, although at that point the limiting factor becomes the number of plows.

So as spring arrives and the training moves more and more outside, what are you teaching?

--M. J. Young

Thu Dec 2 2010 4:05 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

*Shrugs, I taught them everything that was necessary, since I am not keeping their sheets, and really it's for flavor, pick random 7@ skills till they have them all, then do the Acrobatics, and so on and so on.*

Adam

Thu Dec 2 2010 8:50 pm #
M. J. Young
Moderator
I am catching up on the paperwork since Ubercon, now that I've got a mostly functional computer again. Here are my questions:
Early in the training of the new people, Geneice notes that the women do not have the same strength as the men, and suggests putting them on a different training program that first emphasizes the acrobatics and strength training and then shifts to the combat skills. She thinks they'd make excellent ninja-like commandos, with the proper training.

--M. J. Young
Sun Dec 5 2010 9:11 pm #
Jhiaxus
Member

I was only able to find two sheets, but I can remember most of what you are looking for.

Create Rain: 10 Acres, 1:00 TF, Appropriate, Forceful, Latin, Waving 2 arms, Not exhausting, Holy Symbol

Illusionary Enemy, 3 Second Cast Time, Appropriate, Forceful.

Permanently Alter Shape. Sharingan Eyes, capable of shifting between forms, 10 hour ritual, Permanent, Change my eyes to Sharingan eyes, In Latin, Walk around in a Circle, Yes it is physically exhausting.

Ok I will make those changes on my sheets

I have her Alert Rest at 3@8

She was teaching me the acrobatics that I didn't know as well, and I was teaching her the martial arts I didn't know as well, so eventually we will both be 3@10 in each.

I do not have those values for Horace and Snowbeard. We didn't go much into what they were, just what I was teaching them.

As for the attributes, I figure adding weight to people as they do their training, having them balance, or do the equivalent of tires on the ground stepping for agility, for stamina, I thought doing training for 12-16 hours a day would qualify, For Hand/Eye, and Intuition, I would throw things at them, they would catch them and throw them back. I will make a case, since I am doing all these with them, mine should be going up too, but I will have to add more weight to myself, and do acrobatic jumps between each step for Agility, etc.

I am good with how you broke them out.

*To Geneice*

"Well then you should take over the training of the women to get them to that point, since you are the trainer in that regard."

Adam

Mon Dec 6 2010 1:00 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator
Remind me to do a comparison of your skills against Geneice's so I can work out what each of you has to learn from the other. It takes years to reach 3@10, and of course you have years but you also have a team now that I'll want to track in comparison with you.

So your training program runs about twelve hours a day--everyone needs time off to rest even once they become reasonably proficient at alert rest, plus meals which you are still preparing for yourselves and cleaning up afterward (you can get duty rotations for this) and other chores for which there is insufficient staff (shoveling snow was mentioned) and time for changing and washing up and such, so you're pushing things with that schedule. The program for the men includes:
- Practicing martial arts styles, weapons, and maneuvers known and learning new ones as the old ones improve.
- Doing so sometimes with weights to impede movement and build strength.
- Running an obstacle course in the yard.
- Catching thrown missiles and throwing them back to develop hand/eye, intuition, and agility.
- Stamina is included in the intensity of the program.
That's a rough sketch, but it should provide normal progression for perhaps a dozen martial arts skills and the attributes strength, stamina, agility, hand/eye, intuition, and will power. Any further thoughts on that training program?

You of course already have high attributes and skills, and would have to have a more intense program; but you also need less sleep, and you're involved in the training. If you are playing catch with several people at once, that increases the difficulty for you on that, for example, and you can easily manage greater weights.

--M. J. Young
Tue Dec 7 2010 3:22 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

Sounds good to me.

Adam

Tue Dec 7 2010 3:24 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator
I've got a bit of a gap in the timeline--not sure how long people were with you during the play at Ubercon. Let me piece together what I do have:
- You took over the castle.
- Liam, Duncan, Conner, and Ian joined you that night.
- Sean joined you the next night.
- Those five were taught and trained for an uncertain period, but...
- Geneice was away for several weeks, gone to Camelot to look for help, brain burned trying to contact you. You went there to help her and brought back Llewellyn of Cartiff and Waylon, and began training them.
- The first skill taught is Ku Fung. Waylon currently has a 1@8 SAL and and Liam and Sean both have 2@3. Since Duncan and Conner are both 2@4 and Ian is 2@5, it seems likely that Liam and Sean started at 1@1, Duncan and Conner 1@2, and Ian 1@3. If we assume you made all your training rolls, that's 25 days per intensity increase. Llewellyn is now 1@9 and Waylon 1@8, so probably that's an original 1@2 and 1@1. The first five have thus been with you for 300 days and the other two for 175 days, roughly, as of those numbers.
- The bandits showed up. You would have begun by teaching them Ku Fung, but there are no numbers on my sheets for that. My recollection is that almost immediately upon their arrival you took them all with you to the port. There you picked up the women, and brought them back to the castle to train.
- I've specified that we are getting through another six months, which will carry us through winter into spring. That's roughly 180 days or seven training advances if all the rolls are successful.
It looks like you and Geneice were separated for most of 125 days while you were training Liam's group, reunited when you got Llewellyn, which means you had roughly 175 days training together before the bandit strike. I've got to calculate advances for each of you based on those seven training periods, and then do everyone for seven more. This is to check that you concur with those times, or if there's something I've overlooked or mistaken.

Next, I promised to do a comparison of your bod skills against Geneice's to determine what each of you still needs to learn from the other. Eliminating those in which you are both 3@10, we have these on my sheet, although probably some of them are incorrect so let me know.
I'm figuring a lot of those numbers are probably wrong, but we can make them right, and in the process we can figure out what skills each of you will be studying. Some of your training has already been covered, because you're training the men and working with them, and your time is pressed, but I'll let you each work on six skills in addition to what you're already covering.

--M. J. Young
Wed Dec 8 2010 3:32 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

Ok I will check this out tomorrow, tell you the ones I am working on, and if and when that changes, let you know. Thanks for doing the legwork.

Climbing (walls) B1@3 Adam 3@10, Geneice no listing, Geneice should have the same, she was trained as a Cat Burgler
Horseback Riding B3@0 Adam no listing Geneice 2@2, I have a 1@5 Amateur skill, I did it for years as a child with an instructor
Quick Stand B4@4 Adam 1@2 Geneice 1@8, This sounds right
Fall Impact Absorption B4@6 Adam 1@10 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Evasive Tumbling B4@8 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Balance Beam Contact Stunts B6@2 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Bars & Ropes Basic B6@2 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Bars & Ropes Contact Stunts B6@3 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Balance Beam Non-contact Stunts B6@4 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Tightrope Walking B6@4 Adam 1@10 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Bars Non-contact Stunts B6@5 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Tightrope Contact Stunts B6@5 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Balance Beam Speed B6@6 Adam 1@10 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Rope & Trapeze Transfer B6@6 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Tightrope Non-contact Stunts B6@7 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Tightrope Speed B6@8 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Knife Fighting Style B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Knife B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Fencing B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 3@5, Maybe later, but correct
Ku Fung B7@1 Adam 2@2 Geneice 3@1, This is one of the ones I should be training up as I teach the men, for x amount of months. Also one that Geneice is learning now
Adam's Bushido B7@1 Adam 2@4 Geneice not listed, maybe later but correct
Fast Draw Katana B7@1 Adam 2@2 Geneice 1@8, Maybe later, but correct
Quickdraw Knife B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 1@9, Maybe later, but correct
Spear Martial Arts Weapon B7@1 Adam 1@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Naginata-do B7@1 (Slow Defensive Weapon-dependent) Adam 1@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Sheild Martial Arts Weapon B7@1 Adam 1@1 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Quick Draw Colt .45 B7@1 Adam 2@2 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Quick Draw Pneumatic Dart Gun B7@1 Adam 1@4 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Steal Initiative "Leaf on the Wind" B7@1 Adam 2@1 +1 Geneice 2@1, we are both training this
Boxing B7@1 (slow defensive weapon-adverse) Adam not listed Geneice 1@6, Maybe later, but correct
Fighting Blind B7@2 Adam 3@6 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Kick Object Away B7@2 (tactical) Adam 1@1 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Power Punch, B7@3 Adam 3@10 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Whirling Dervish B7@3 intensified damage attack Adam 2@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Spinning Kick B7@3 Adam 2@8 Geneice not listed, Geneice would like to learn this
Crushing Grasp B7@3 Adam 2@9 Geneice not listed, Geneice would like to learn this
Momentum Casting B7@3 Adam 2@9 Geneice 3@5, Maybe later, but correct
Leaping Kick B7@3 Adam 1@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Spinning Kick B7@3 Adam not listed Geneice 2@9, This is listed above, we both have scores for it
Following Finger B7@4 Adam 3@2 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Muscle Blocking B7@4 Adam 3@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Seize Weapon B7@5 Adam 3@10 Geneice 1@3, Teaching Geneice
Parrying Blade B7@5 Adam 2@7 Geneice 1@9, Teaching Geneice
Weapon Breaker B7@5 Adam 3@7 Geneice 1@10, Teaching Geneice
Immobilizer B7@5 Adam 2@10 Geneice 1@8, Maybe later, but correct
Improvised Cloth Weapon B7@6 Adam 2@9 Geneice 2@5, Maybe later, but correct
Knock-out Blow B7@7 Adam 1@2 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Control Resistance B7@9 Adam 2@5 Geneice 1@10, Maybe later, but correct
Alert Rest Adam 3@9 Geneice 3@8, Maybe later, but correct

If I didn't take enough, will take a random acrobatic one, with Geneice, if she has spots, a random Martial Art one.

Adam

Wed Dec 8 2010 3:41 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator

Spinning Kick B7@3 Adam not listed Geneice 2@9, This is listed above, we both have scores for it

Oops--well, as the Admiral said, "One little mistake...."

To recap those that seem to matter--

Fall Impact Absorption B4@6 Adam 1@10 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Evasive Tumbling B4@8 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Bars & Ropes Basic B6@2 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Tightrope Walking B6@4 Adam 1@10 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Balance Beam Speed B6@6 Adam 1@10 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now
Tightrope Speed B6@8 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, This is one of the ones I wish to work on now

That's six for you.

Ku Fung B7@1 Adam 2@2 Geneice 3@1, This is one of the ones I should be training up as I teach the men, for x amount of months. Also one that Geneice is learning now

Granted; that one comes free.

Crushing Grasp B7@3 Adam 2@9 Geneice not listed, Geneice would like to learn this
Seize Weapon B7@5 Adam 3@10 Geneice 1@3, Teaching Geneice
Parrying Blade B7@5 Adam 2@7 Geneice 1@9, Teaching Geneice
Weapon Breaker B7@5 Adam 3@7 Geneice 1@10, Teaching Geneice

Steal Initiative "Leaf on the Wind" B7@1 Adam 2@1 +1 Geneice 2@1, we are both training this

That would make five for Geneice and seven for you, but given that you're training her and you're at professional level I'll allow that your effort to train her includes working on the skill yourself.

That leaves one open space for her.

Just for reference, these are the rest of the listings:

Balance Beam Contact Stunts B6@2 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Bars & Ropes Contact Stunts B6@3 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Balance Beam Non-contact Stunts B6@4 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Bars Non-contact Stunts B6@5 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Tightrope Contact Stunts B6@5 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Rope & Trapeze Transfer B6@6 Adam 1@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Tightrope Non-contact Stunts B6@7 Adam 1@8 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Knife Fighting Style B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Knife B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Fencing B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 3@5, Maybe later, but correct
Adam's Bushido B7@1 Adam 2@4 Geneice not listed, maybe later but correct
Fast Draw Katana B7@1 Adam 2@2 Geneice 1@8, Maybe later, but correct
Quickdraw Knife B7@1 Adam not listed Geneice 1@9, Maybe later, but correct
Spear Martial Arts Weapon B7@1 Adam 1@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Naginata-do B7@1 (Slow Defensive Weapon-dependent) Adam 1@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Sheild Martial Arts Weapon B7@1 Adam 1@1 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Quick Draw Colt .45 B7@1 Adam 2@2 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Quick Draw Pneumatic Dart Gun B7@1 Adam 1@4 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Boxing B7@1 (slow defensive weapon-adverse) Adam not listed Geneice 1@6, Maybe later, but correct
Fighting Blind B7@2 Adam 3@6 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Kick Object Away B7@2 (tactical) Adam 1@1 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Power Punch, B7@3 Adam 3@10 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Whirling Dervish B7@3 intensified damage attack Adam 2@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Momentum Casting B7@3 Adam 2@9 Geneice 3@5, Maybe later, but correct
Leaping Kick B7@3 Adam 1@3 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Following Finger B7@4 Adam 3@2 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Muscle Blocking B7@4 Adam 3@9 Geneice 3@10, Maybe later, but correct
Immobilizer B7@5 Adam 2@10 Geneice 1@8, Maybe later, but correct
Improvised Cloth Weapon B7@6 Adam 2@9 Geneice 2@5, Maybe later, but correct
Knock-out Blow B7@7 Adam 1@2 Geneice not listed, Maybe later, but correct
Control Resistance B7@9 Adam 2@5 Geneice 1@10, Maybe later, but correct
Alert Rest Adam 3@9 Geneice 3@8, Maybe later, but correct

--M. J. Young

Thu Dec 9 2010 3:23 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

I will teach Geneice Power Punch for her open space.

The rest looks good.

Will push on with training.

Adam

Thu Dec 9 2010 3:38 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator
O.K., we've got everyone at point A, and now we have to move forward six months' worth of training. The period of time is roughly 7x25 days. Your training checks in Martial arts are 2@10 SAL+2x15@ bias+2@10 BRA=90%, so only one in ten will fail; but you've got a big crew here, 43 trainees times 7 check periods is 301 checks, of which 30.1 will fail, of which 3.01 will botch. The easy way for me to handle that is probably to have the 34 bandits make 6 advances in each skill and the named characters (including Geneice) make all 7. That applies to the martial arts skills and weapons.

Geneice rolls 71 on learning the Crushing Grasp, so starts at 1@2, advances six more to 1@8. Seize weapon 1@10, Parrying Blade 2@6, Weapon Breaker 2@7, Steal Initiative 2@8. Note that your training skill will enable you to train her to @1 of the level higher than your own SAL in the skill. She rolls 55 on learning Power Punch, 1@2 to start, 1@8 after six months.

None of you have training in any of the attributes, so it will take 200 days to advance one intensity. Referee's discretion, I'm giving you the advances at the 180 day mark, because it's easier on the bookkeeping and it's a solid program. Her intuition goes to 2@5. I note that her strength and stamina are both 3@1 and her agility and hand/eye are both 2@10, and attributes at those levels cannot be improved by normal means, so they remain constant. (Triple Tripled attribute improvement programs require something beyond twentieth century technology.)

Next we consider the men. I said "perhaps a dozen martial arts skills". The skills listed include:
1. Haste P4@1
2. Fall Impact Absorption B4@6
3. Great Jump B5@6
4. Ku Fung B7@1
5. Sword B7@1
6. Chow En Lai B7@1
7. Quickdraw Sword B7@1
8. Steal Initiative B7@1
9. Panoramic Awareness B7@2
10. Fighting Blind B7@2
11. Solid Punch B7@3
12. Muscle Blocking B7@4
13. Missile Escape B7@4
14. Disarm Weaponless B7@5
15. Weapon Breaker B7@5
16. Immobilizer B7@5
Well, that's more than a dozen, but I'm not uncomfortable covering them all, so we'll go with that.

It's more work than I can do in one night, but we'll do the original five, whose skills are now: (Liam, Duncan, Conner, Ian, Shawn)

Haste P4@1 2@3 2@3 2@3 2@3 2@3
Fall Impact Absorption B4@6 2@3 2@4 2@4 2@3 2@4
Great Jump B5@6 2@7 2@8 2@7 2@8 2@7
Ku Fung B7@1 2@10 3@1 3@1 3@2 2@10
Sword B7@1 2@3 2@2 2@2 2@3 2@3
Chow En Lai B7@1 2@2 2@3 2@1 2@2 2@2
Quickdraw Sword B7@1 1@10 1@9 1@10 1@9 2@1
Steal Initiative B7@1 1@8 1@9 1@8 1@9 1@10
Panoramic Awareness B7@2 2@7 2@7 2@6 2@8 2@6
Fighting Blind B7@2 2@6 2@6 2@7 2@6 2@5
Solid Punch B7@3 3@2 3@2 3@7 3@1 2@10
Muscle Blocking B7@4 2@8 2@9 2@9 2@8 2@10
Missile Escape B7@4 2@9 2@9 2@9 2@7 2@7
Disarm Weaponless B7@5 2@7 2@8 2@7 2@7 2@7
Weapon Breaker B7@5 2@4 2@5 2@6 2@5 2@6
Immobilizer B7@5 1@9 1@10 1@7 1@10 2@1

Attributes will have to wait, because not all of them have initial attributes for each of the ones improving, and I've got other players to whom to attend. Sorry.

--M. J. Young
Fri Dec 10 2010 3:57 am #
Jhiaxus
Member

That's cool, I will put out there, that the Super Soldier Serum is what got us to 3@1, and was suppose to unlock the ability to train further. If that is not the case, then I will make the case, that I should be able to work the Serum with magic, to get further results.

Adam

Fri Dec 10 2010 5:26 am #
M. J. Young
Moderator
You are correct about the super soldier serum. That means that you can (both) improve those attributes, provided you can persuade me that you've got triple tripled training programs for each of them for each of you. A first level training program for physical attributes requires 120 hours of concentrated activity over 200 days; non-physical attributes require 600 hours over 200 days. None of Geneice' attributes in question are non-physical (although she is working on intuition, which will eventually hit 2@10). Because of the time demands, it is permissible to extend a level 2 program over 400 days and a level 3 program over 600 days. Thus you can triple the time to 1800 hours either by doing 9 hours a day for 200 days or by doing 3 hours a day for 600 days. You do not have to triple the time if you can triple three other things, at least two of which have real in-game impact.

O.K., let's give some attributes to those original guys. We're looking at Strength, Stamina, Agility, Hand/Eye, and Intuition (did I miss anything?). I'm still listing them in the sequence Liam, Duncan, Conner, Ian, Sean.
- They each have Strength listed, so that will advance one intensity to 1@7, 1@7, 1@7, 2@2, 1@8.
- They need starting staminas, but then, they're scavenger crooks who spend a lot of time in the wild, so we're probably looking at above average on that. I'm giving Liam a bit extra because the leader has to be a bit tougher and he's not the strongest (he is the smartest), and I'm bonusing Ian because he's the muscle, but not Sean, so the starting numbers are 1@8, 1@7, 1@7, 2@1, 1@7, and with one intensity advancement we have 1@9, 1@8, 1@8, 2@2, 1@8. I'm noting that this means Ian has a 1@3 Density, but the others are all standard 1@1.
- Agility rises one intensity from the posted values to 1@6, 1@8, 1@6, 1@6, 1@10; Sean has to move to double doubled on this to continue improving, but I've already assumed double doubled for Ian on Strength and Stamina and am not going to hassle over that since it's not that difficult to do in a group like this.
- We need to give them initial hand/eye, and again I think Liam needs an edge at something, and Sean is going to be particularly solid on this, so we'll start with 1@8, 1@5, 1@5, 1@5, 1@10, and assume double doubled training for Sean on this, so everyone advances to 1@9, 1@6, 1@6, 1@6, 2@1.
- I'm noting a 1@8 intellect for Liam and 1@6 for Sean, but putting the others at 1@4--these are not the brightest guys in the region. I'm going to use the same starting numbers for intuition, and increase them all by one for the training. I will require a described double doubled program for improving intuition once they start hitting that ceiling, since that's going to be tougher. Present intuition numbers are 1@9, 1@5, 1@5, 1@5, 1@7.
I'm next trying to figure out how Llewellyn and Waylon fit. I see that both are highest at Ku Fung, a 1@9 and a 1@8, so if I assume they started with a 1@2 and 1@1 and made every training roll, that's seven training periods passed. That is confirmed by the fact that they also each have six other skills, working down to a 1@2/1@1 in Disarm Weaponless. We have seven advancement periods, and with each of them we add a skill in the order you've indicated you would train. That order is
I need to add seven intensities to each skill already known, and then add seven more skills, rolling each for start and adding +6, +5, down to +0 to these. That gives them:
While I'm covering them, let me hit their attributes as well.
- Strength 1@7/1@6 to 1@8/1@7
- Stamina not given, set at 1@6/1@7, to 1@7/1@8, makes Density 1@1 for both
- Hand/Eye not given, make Llewellyn 1@7, Waylon 1@5, to 1@8/1@6.
- I'm giving them Intellects of 1@8/1@5 while I'm here. Again the Intuitions will be the same, and so advance to 1@9/1@6
That's a substantial chunk of the crew; I think that next time I start the bandits, who are the newest and probably the simplest.

--M. J. Young
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