Gaming Outpost Discussions

1. 

   JohnA1nut
   Member

   Your jump is done cleanly. Lauren says it looks like the form is good, you just need to keep practicing.

   "Well Lauren, you can help me do that. A coach couldn't hurt."

   Regarding the Ruger, what did I say about it previously, and when/where?

   You said they existed. That's about it. I'm not keeping track of my currency anymore, but I'm certain I would have it.

   Also, have we already discussed the Mossberg Persuader in this world, or am I recalling it from a previous world?

   Remembering it from my first world. I don't think there was any discussion of it here, except that they do sell these kinds of guns.

   I got confused on this: is the verser survival pack the backpack you bought? (I had envisioned something more on the order of a belt pouch or fanny pack, and couldn't see how a shotgun would fit even folded, but if it's the backpack that's not a problem.)

   It's actually both. The belt bag has mostly gold, silver, and other valuables in it. The backpack is what is storing the weapons.

   Tue May 19 2009 3:29 pm #
2. 

   JohnA1nut
   Member

   Multiple Posts

   Would it be a new use if I boxed Lauren whilst wearing my backpack? Since I wear that thing quite a bit, I would think it would be wise to get good at fighting whilst wearing it. If I do fight Lauren, it's fists only, and I would hope that she would be similarly encumbered.

   "Lauren, I don't imagine most people you fight are going to be 4th degree black belts. Probably most people would be (1@5 drunken, parking lot brawling) I think fighting fists only would be good enough for most encounters."

   Speaking of fighting drunk, would it be a new use if I fought her whilst I was intoxicated? There is a fighting style called Drunken Boxing. How similar it is to the boxing I'm doing I do not know, but I do know that the practitioners train whilst intoxicated, as it does make you more able to withstand pain.

   (Doing Therapy)

   Tue May 19 2009 11:27 pm #
3. 

   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   Lauren does not use "fists" to fight. She uses open hands, feet, poking fingers and toes, throws and pushes, and her chain-like kau sin ke (which she is not using to fight you). She does own a backpack, and has often fought while wearing it.

   Since I suspect you have never boxed while so encumbered, I would allow fighting while wearing it as a new use.

   I believe this is day 8; you have a martial arts lesson today. It's also one of your days off from work.

   Your gun dealer has a P99 with two clips as described, and a Mossberg 8-gauge Persuader. You can afford them. What do you want to get, total?

   Lauren says she will coach you in your jump, if you like, three days a week; but your schedule is getting rather full, and you're tying up hers quite a bit as well. She has to train Derek, too, you know, and she's also supposed to be working on a job while she's here.

   --M. J. Young

   Wed May 20 2009 1:57 am #
4. 

   JohnA1nut
   Member

   Lauren does not use "fists" to fight. She uses open hands, feet, poking fingers and toes, throws and pushes, and her chain-like kau sin ke (which she is not using to fight you). She does own a backpack, and has often fought while wearing it.

   Well, by "fists" I mean punches and the equivalent. Open handed punches would be OK. Just none of that fancy kicking, jumping and flipping. A straight up fist fight, both of us encumbered by backpacks.

   Since I suspect you have never boxed while so encumbered, I would allow fighting while wearing it as a new use.

   COOL!!! Let's do it. Did you get what I said about boxing whilst drunk? I edited whilst you were replying to "Sorry Guys" and you didn't say anything. Go up a post or two.

   I believe this is day 8; you have a martial arts lesson today. It's also one of your days off from work.

   Are there any punches I am learning/will learn in OkyDoky Smokey which I could incorporate into my boxing? Speaking of which, does Lauren know Solid Punch? Is that part of ODS? I'd love to get better at that.

   Your gun dealer has a P99 with two clips as described, and a Mossberg 8-gauge Persuader. You can afford them. What do you want to get, total?

   You do mean P 89, right? (You said something about a lot of players using a Walther P99, and that it confused you.) All of the Ruger P series 9mm pistols took the same magazine, so as long as it's a 9mm and takes the same magazine, that's fine by me. I've got more than enough magazines and ammo, no need to do that.

   Yes, but do they have it in a 12 gauge? (MJ, you have no idea....) A 12 gauge pistol grip is hard enough to control, I wouldn't want to imagine an 8 gauge. (You do know that would be over an inch in diameter, right?) If they have a 12 gauge version, I'll take it.

   (Now you know why I typed it.) Go down to that post labeled "Shotgun Rounds" and tell me what all of what kind of ammo they have. The bird shot, buckshot and slugs would probably be a given, what about the more exotic versions? Shotgun rounds (on our world) usually sell in boxes of 25, if it makes any difference.

   Lauren says she will coach you in your jump, if you like, three days a week; but your schedule is getting rather full, and you're tying up hers quite a bit as well. She has to train Derek, too, you know, and she's also supposed to be working on a job while she's here.

   "Well, why don't we bring Derek in on this? I'll show him and you some boxing, you teach us what you know, let us spar, etc. I'd love to go a round or two with Derek. Let's get him in on this."

   Curious, I realize Lauren can't coach me in "boxing" because she doesn't know it, but she COULD coach me in "Throwing Punches" Would that be any kind of instructor bonus?

   (Doing Therapy)

   Wed May 20 2009 2:11 am #
5. 

   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   Lauren does not fight using "just her hands". Her hands are the least important weapon in her style. The fight you envision is not going to happen. She compares it to you boxing with both hands tied behind your back. Yes, she uses her hands, about as much as you use your feet to box--which you do, but only defensively.

   I did not see the edit, and I'm not looking back. Don't edit posts after you've posted them, except for misspellings and coding errors and such.

   Although Okydoky Smoky uses hands and feet, it does not use what you would call punches. It's more about hitting vital areas to cause pain and disabling. Its maneuvers are:

   Focused Push B7@3 which uses force and balance and momentum to drive the opponent backwards.
   • Spinning Kick B7@3 which is an increased damage maneuver.
   • Leaping Kick B7@3 which requires a short run and is an increased damage maneuver.
   • Crushing Grasp B7@3 which uses speed and leverage to crush an object inside the grip.
   • Seize Weapon B7@5 which is an armed disarming maneuver.
   • Pain Inflicter B7@7 which is a nerve attack causing crippling pain without doing injury.
   • Stunning Strike B7@7 which is another nerve attack which dazes the opponent.
   • Paralyzing Strike B7@7 which is another nerve attack which immobilizes the target.
   • Untouching Push B7@8 which drives the opponent back like the Focused Push, but without actually touching him.
   • Remote Strike B7@9 which injures the opponent as if he were hit, but without touching him.

   Lauren does not know that punch, either.

   Lauren does not know anything about throwing punches.

   Yes, they have the 12 gauge. And yes, I meant the same gun you requested. Sorry about that. What ammo would you like to buy? 25 per box is fine.

   Lauren smiles when you mention bringing in Derek, as if it were some inside joke. "Derek fights with his butcher knife, his chain, and his frying pan, and he's pretty formidable with them. But he's always going to be small, and I don't think he's interested in learning to box. I tried to show him a few tricks, but he's much better with that laser rifle of his than he will ever be with his fists."

   --M. J. Young

   Wed May 20 2009 11:48 pm #
6. 

   JohnA1nut
   Member

   Lauren smiles when you mention bringing in Derek, as if it were some inside joke. "Derek fights with his butcher knife, his chain, and his frying pan, and he's pretty formidable with them. But he's always going to be small, and I don't think he's interested in learning to box. I tried to show him a few tricks, but he's much better with that laser rifle of his than he will ever be with his fists."

   "Well, your fists are the one weapon you can never have taken away from you. Let's have a rematch. Both wearing backpacks. Once again, you don't move until I say so. Yeah, I'll never get someone a in real fight to stand still, but this isn't a real fight. You want to go again?"

   (I just want the New Use)

   What I said about fighting drunk was that there is a martial arts style, Jackie Chan is a known practitioner, Drunken Boxing. I don't think it has anything to do with the boxing that I'm doing, but being drunk DOES help your pain tolerance. I think that's why they do it. Get three sheets to the wind, THEN fight Lauren. I'm hoping that's another New Use.

   Although Okydoky Smoky uses hands and feet, it does not use what you would call punches. It's more about hitting vital areas to cause pain and disabling. Its maneuvers are:

   Well, if it's all about hitting vital areas, I can hit vital areas with boxing can't I? If it's all just knowing where to hit someone, then why not? If I used that successfully, wouldn't that ALSO be a new use on boxing? That should be 4, bringing me to 2@1.

   Buy the Ruger P-89 and the Mossberg 12 gauge.

   http://gamingoutpost.com/discussions/topic/shotgun-rounds

   Do they have any of the rounds I mentioned there?

   I would REALLY like some Dragon's Breath rounds and some Shredder explosive rounds. They sell grenades, why not exploding shotgun shells too?

   Thu May 21 2009 12:13 am #
7. 

   JohnA1nut
   Member

   Two Posts

   Ya know, I can't believe I'm arguing with you about this, but it's been driving me nuts for a long time. I find it very difficult to believe that I went through that jeep crash with over 40 broken bones and now have no residual effects from it. Not even little aches and pains from it. I broke both arms, how can I box with any proficiency? Or is it that little things like that are healed when you verse out?

   As a matter of fact, how does that healing upon versing work? I've versed twice since then, would all of the residual effects be gone? Would a doctor even be able to tell that I had been that banged up? Like I said, I can't believe I'm arguing with you about it, but I'm genuinely curious how I couldn't have any lasting effects from that crash.

   Thu May 21 2009 10:20 am #
8. 

   M. J. Young
   Moderator

   "They're not going to take away my feet, either, and actually they're more likely to control my hands than my shoulders, aren't they?"

   "We'll try that tomorrow. My backpack is in my room, after all, and by the time I got there and back, I'd have to get showered for work."

   I am informed by practitioners of the martial arts that the point of drunken boxing is that the practitioner becomes more limber, more flexible. If I understand correctly, the intoxication is used at first to teach the seemingly unstable movements, and then the practitioner learns to duplicate the moves while sober. Jackie Chan has used the style in several movies, but I believe he was sober when those scenes were filmed.

   If you get drunk and attempt to box, I will assess penalties against all your rolls, including your stance. If you get drunk and attempt to box Lauren, she will refuse to fight you when you are intoxicated, because there is too great a risk that you will be seriously injured. If you get drunk, pick a fight with someone, and succeed in activating your stance and landing a punch, I will give you new use for the skill--and trouble with security.

   They have shredders. These are about five times the price of standard shotgun rounds, twenty-five to a box. They don't know anything about Dragon's Breath rounds.

   I believe that nearly all of your advancement in boxing has been achieved since that accident; therefore you've managed to overcome any residual injury at least as far as boxing is concerned.

   The automatic "healing" is not really healing the way you are thinking of it. It is a reset button to your "last stable form"--that is, to your condition before any injuries that have not yet healed in the sense of restoring all damage value. Thus for example you could lose your hand, and if you versed out immediately you would be restored with your hand; or you could lose your hand, spend a month being treated by medical professionals, have the stub of the arm heal so that you are back in perfect health without the hand, and then if you versed out you would not have the hand, because your last stable form had you without the hand.

   So you're not getting better by versing; you're only being restored to the condition you were in just before the attack(s) that killed you.

   As far as not having lasting effects from the crash, the real reason is because you've changed referees twice since then. I don't know whether Adam conveyed to Kyler what he thought would be the after-effects of such injuries, but I don't recall Kyler conveying such information to me, so I'm going by what I have on your sheet.

   Cheer up--maybe I'll zygote you, and that will give you a whole new body. Of course, you might be a lion....

   --M. J. Young

   Fri May 22 2009 4:49 am #
9. 

   JohnA1nut
   Member

   "They're not going to take away my feet, either, and actually they're more likely to control my hands than my shoulders, aren't they?"

   "Well, after what happened with that MP, anybody that tries to control MY hands better be able to catch bullets like a magician." (I know how they do that trick, BTW. The gun is designed to bleed the power away from the bullet, so by the time the bullet hits the target, it might as well be a really loud pellet gun.)

   "We'll try that tomorrow. My backpack is in my room, after all, and by the time I got there and back, I'd have to get showered for work."

   "Looking forward to it."

   They have shredders. These are about five times the price of standard shotgun rounds, twenty-five to a box. They don't know anything about Dragon's Breath rounds.

   What about all of the other rounds I mentioned?

   So a Mossberg Persuader 12 gauge, collapsible stock, 8 round capacity. That's 8 rounds plus one in the chamber, so a total of 9. I don't keep my guns with a round in the chamber though. To easy to shoot yourself in the foot that way. I still have that shoulder sling which holds 15 rounds. It was designed for a Mossberg shotgun, so I'm going to put it on the gun.

   2 boxes bird shot
   2 boxes 00 buckshot
   2 boxes shredders

   Yeah, The Last Boy Scout is where I heard about Shredder rounds also. They actually do exist. Destroys everything within a 10 foot radius. What kind of damage category would you put those in?

   The shotgun sling (holds 15 shells) will have 5 bird shot, 5 00 buckshot and 5 shredders on it. The gun itself will be loaded with eight rounds 00 buckshot.

   MJ, there's a trick you can do after you fire a round. You can load a shell into the gun and it will be the next shell to fire. So, if I get into a gunfight, fire off a round off 00 buckshot, and the guy is still standing, I can load a shredder into the gun, and it will be the next round fired.

   So, I got the second Ruger 9mm and the 12 gauge, right?

   Regarding residual effects, I did have arthritis, but I got rid of that. It's just that I broke my leg (hence having a steel plate in my leg) and that acts up on occasion. Forget about it. If I'm fine, then I'm fine.

   Fri May 22 2009 12:11 pm #
10. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Yes on the guns. The ammo is fine.

    I have specifically avoided answering whether they have each of the types of ammo listed in the other thread probably for the same reason you have avoided asking specifically about each one: I don't have time to type all of that if you don't. Besides, I don't see how the conversation works. Do you walk into the gun store and say, "I want to know whether you have all of the various types of ammo that I wrote about in a computer file on a computer in another universe?" Do you say, "List and describe for me every kind of ammo you have available or can obtain for a shotgun?" To that he will say, "What do you want to find?" He's not going to list that. He'll show you what he has on the shelves and he'll check his catalogues for any one thing you specifically name, but he's not going to be an encyclopedia of such information. If you want to have this conversation with him, you have to make it a conversation--take the time to ask about each thing you're seeking and to get his answers individually.

    Concerning the shredders, I'm inclined to think that they are dangerous blast with a damaging fragments rider within 10 yards, which makes damaging blast with annoying fragments in the next ten, and annoying blast in the next ten. Note that, because I didn't.

    --M. J. Young

    Sat May 23 2009 4:52 am #
11. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Well, today is my OkyDoky Smokey lesson. Go to that. Bid Lauren farewell. When is my next increase there?

    Understood about the ammo. It's like you said though, they would have ammo on shelves. I could look and see what kinds they had. No matter. My opponent will be just as dead if I shoot them with 00 buckshot as they would be if I shot them with a bolo round.

    Oh yeah MJ, just an aside. You said you were play testing this world with me. I would assume that means you're wanting feedback from me on it. Well, I'm sad to say that had Lauren not come into the scenario, I have a feeling this would have gotten boring rather quickly. What's the objective? On the other hand, if Lauren had not come into the scenario, we would have started skipping along rather quickly, and I would have beau coup skills with OkyDoky Smokey. I'd probably be a 3@2 in that by now....

    Soon it will be day 9.

    Sat May 23 2009 5:42 pm #
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    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Your next advance is on day 25.

    Your class goes reasonably well, as you focus on forms and movement.

    It is Day 9, and I believe you have to work in the morning, and then meet Lauren and Derek to trade lessons.

    --M. J. Young

    Sun May 24 2009 9:04 pm #
13. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Your next advance is on day 25.

    And the manure hits the box of whirling blades on day 23... So, no advancement. I'm assuming whatever it is is either going to kill me or prevent me from taking any more lessons. And it will CERTAINLY kill me if TerraNova security tries to do anything.... Only question is, how many of them am I going to take with me?

    Day 9, after work.

    "Derek, I versed out in a knife fight in one world. I'm wondering how good you are with that butcher knife of yours. I'm sure I could blunt it so you couldn't do me any damage, then resharpen it afterwards. I'd like to see if I can get any idea of how better to defend against knife attacks. What do you think?"

    Since the focus for me here would be teaching myself how to defend against that kind of an attack, I would think it would be a new use, since the first time I was just fighting for my life.

    Probably putting duct tape (which I have) on the blade would be what I would do so he couldn't hurt me. It would be just touching with the blade would count as an attack, I suppose.

    Also, I still want that rematch with Lauren whilst wearing backpacks. Wearing backpacks is a new use.

    And since I am obviously the least skilled of the three, no one moves until I say so.

    Sun May 24 2009 9:23 pm #
14. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    MJ, do you know what a spinning backhand punch is? It's just what it sounds like. You spin around and backhand your opponent. It's not a move in boxing, but I think I would like to try to teach myself that move. Is that a new use, or is it a completely new skill? It's good for attacking people behind you and also in front of you. When you do the spin, you generate a great deal of power, same concept with a spin kick. I'd like to try it.

    EDIT, (Doing Therapy for Edit)
    What about fighting blind and panoramic awareness? Do they come into play in the fights with Lauren? I'd like to try to fight her blind (New Use on something) but she would have to be seriously pulling punches. (No more than 2 attacks per turn, to put it in game lingo) I'd like to try that too. Does panoramic awareness still work when you're blind?

    Mon May 25 2009 6:24 pm #
15. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Three Posts

    Notes:

    Dude!!! An angel of God appeared to you and directed what you did in the last world. An ANGEL OF GOD!!!!!! Dude!! And you still think you're just bouncing at random???!!!?!?! The Angel said that I was the ONLY PERSON IN THE WORLD who could take out those demons!!!!!! And you still think you're bouncing aimlessly?

    I've seen visions, I've never seen an angel.

    Terry, the Guardian Angel got me out of a jam here. God really likes you!!! What are you doing for Him? Is there an @1 Ask God for direction prayer I wonder.....

    (Doing Therapy)

    Mon May 25 2009 11:40 pm #
16. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    For what it's worth, your colorfully described disaster does not come before day 25.

    Whether defending against a knife is a new use depends on how you're defending. It's probably a new skill, depending on what you hope to do, unless it's just a matter of defending against a weapon--in which case, you've already done it.

    Lauren will fight you wearing backpacks, provided you don't limit her options. One thing she has to work on is not hesitating to think about what to do, and if you limit her options you are working against that.

    The spiral backhand punch sounds like a leveraged attack to me--a new skill.

    Fighting blind and panoramic awareness are both operational when you box. Yes, panoramic awareness works when you're fighting blind, although it is penalized. (Fighting blind is rolled to reduce the penalty for darkness or other obscured vision; panoramic awareness is rolled to negate surprise from attacks from unseen positions and enable targeting of opponents outside your field of vision.)

    --M. J. Young

    Tue May 26 2009 5:54 am #
17. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Lauren will fight you wearing backpacks, provided you don't limit her options. One thing she has to work on is not hesitating to think about what to do, and if you limit her options you are working against that.

    Wearing backpacks I didn't want her to limit, fighting her blind I did. Unless she's blind when we fight as well. If she can see and I can't, then she MUST limit her attacks to 2 per turn, or otherwise hinder herself. If I'm at that big of a disadvantage already, then she's got to give me SOMETHING.

    "OK Lauren, let's go with backpacks on. You're not allowed to move until I say so."

    Let's Do It.

    After that, blindfold myself and fight Lauren again. I would be fighting in my boxing style, so that HAS to be a new use on boxing, or on fighting blind, as I've never done it before. Lauren HAS to limit herself to 2 attacks, or blindfold herself. I don't stand a chance against her when I CAN see. She HAS to give me SOMETHING to balance it out.

    Use panoramic awareness whilst fighting blind, which is also a new use, as I've never used it blind before.

    I think, for the moment, I'm not going to try spinning backhand punches in a fight. I'll teach myself that on the punching bag. Use it when I gain a modicum of proficiency. Try to teach myself that after I fight Lauren.

    And of course, once again, Lauren is not allowed to attack until I give her the go-ahead. On ANY of the fights.

    Tue May 26 2009 1:29 pm #
18. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    Have I seen any variations on bullets for the MAK 90? Armor piercing, hollow points, or tracer rounds? In our world, these would be fairly common.

    I told you that a bullet won't normally explode a gas tank. This is true, but a tracer bullet will. It has a piece of red or white phosphorus in the tip, and it is illuminated at night, to aid in aiming. (Problem is, they work both ways, you see where it's going, they see where it's coming from.) Those WILL explode a gas tank. I'd like to get some specialty bullets for both the 9mm and the MAK90.

    On our world, AP or tracer rounds for the 9mm would be rare at best. This isn't our world, so that means very little, but I just thought I would share it.

    (Doing Therapy)

    Tue May 26 2009 5:14 pm #
19. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Three Posts

    MJ, just an aside, I would have the shotgun inside the Verser's Survival Pack so that it could be grabbed without taking the backpack off. Maybe a rope tied to it so that I could pull it out quickly. It doesn't have a round in the chamber, so it would be a 30 if it went off in the performance of this action.

    I would practice this in my hotel room, with the gun completely unloaded.

    Also, it has the sling which holds 15 shotgun shells on it. Five bird shot, five 00 buckshot, 5 shredders. The gun itself is loaded with eight rounds 00 buckshot.

    MJ, I just realized, the shotgun might not hold 8 rounds. Shotgun shells aren't standard in length. Most are 2 3/4 inches long. Some are 3 inches long, and others, 3 1/2 inches long. Needless to say, the length of the shell affects how many it can hold. (It's eight 2 3/4 and seven 3 inch magnum, for instance.) I've even seen shotgun shells that were really short. (This gun would probably hold 15 or 20 of them)

    Longer shells are more powerful, but my hope would be that it holds at least 8. Of course, if it holds more than that, I won't turn my nose up at it. (I would imagine shotgun shells here would be smaller and more powerful than anything I've ever seen)

    (And in that case, I might want to get some more of them.....)

    Of course MJ, if you just want to say that they're 2 3/4 and make it easy, that's fine too. Just as long as I have 8 rounds. (I was kind of wondering if I should point this out at all, actually) I mean if I fire 8 rounds of 00 buckshot, and they're still a threat, I'm probably screwed anyway....

    (Doing Therapy)

    Tue May 26 2009 7:32 pm #
20. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    I'll go with 2.75" shells standard, 8 in the gun.

    Lauren doesn't understand what it is you're trying to suggest when you want to fight her while blindfolded. She suggests perhaps instead the two of you should fight in a dark room, if you can find such a place that would be reasonably safe for such a fight.

    You get into stance and call for go, but she dodges your opening jab, and although you block the next quite well, she lands three in a row, and nearly beans you with a fourth that you counter only to get hit in the ribs with another shot. You come in with another attack, which she parries, taps you with her left foot, and then trying to come around with a followup she twists to get past your block and lands on the floor. She goes into a roll and is back on her feet with no time lost, ready to counter your next punch. You manage to land a very light touch, and block her next, but she lands another, misses by inches on the next, and then takes a swing that comes nowhere near you.

    You've been going for three minutes.

    --M. J. Young

    Wed May 27 2009 1:33 am #
21. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Lauren doesn't understand what it is you're trying to suggest when you want to fight her while blindfolded. She suggests perhaps instead the two of you should fight in a dark room, if you can find such a place that would be reasonably safe for such a fight.

    "Lauren, if you can see and I can't, and you're already 4 times better than I am, you'd really have to take it easy on me. Move around a lot, but don't strike so often. (In other words, using attacks to jump around and whatnot) Or would you want to fight with both of us in the dark? In that case, we can clear out the spare bedroom in my apartment. We can get it pretty dark in there. Just so you know, I have excellent night vision. Hey, I might have the advantage there...."

    We're fighting with backpacks, I seem to be holding my own, this is a new use right?

    "Is that all you got, Lauren? Come on baby, give it to me."

    Attempt to teach myself a spinning backhand punch, it would work if she was in any direction of me (Hence, spinning) A botch would be that I land it and hurt her, I suppose.

    If it means anything, I've visualized throwing this kind of punch thousands of times. You take kind of a twisted, sideways step with your swinging foot (in this case, right) lift your other foot, and spin around. You kind of step into it.

    Is Lauren right or left handed? It doesn't matter to the fight, I don't think, but I'm right handed. I'm just trying to get a better mental picture of how this fight is going, that's all.

    (Doing Therapy)

    Wed May 27 2009 1:51 am #
22. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    From Behind the Screens

    That's three minutes of fighting. Lauren as a 2@4 stamina; John's is 1@8. He will tire first, but I think I should allow him six minutes before he starts to wear.

    Unless one of us goes off of our feet, or is otherwise unable to continue, you're going to have to roll that. I would be very determined, so I would hope that counts as some manner of bonus. Keep it going until one of us is unable to continue, or I fail my check. Whichever comes first. I'm not giving this one up.

    (Doing Therapy)

    Wed May 27 2009 2:13 am #
23. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Three posts, more than 6 hours later.

    I was just thinking that if I, as referee, had a player who insisted on checking for the smaller shells, nothing better than a 25 remarkably bad, but not totally surprising, would mean that it held less than 8. A neutral roll would mean it held ten 2 inch shells, and a 3 would be that the shells were a quarter of an inch thick, for a total of 80 shots, and the shells expanded through some high-tech means when they went in the chamber. I think that sounds like a reasonable GE chart, what do you think?

    (Doing Therapy)

    Wed May 27 2009 8:41 am #
24. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    She moves in, and you dodge the first swing easily, but the next connects; you swing at nothing as she moves around you, scoring three more taps easily, then a miss before you catch nothing but air once more, and she comes back to touch you twice more. She misses twice, and you miss, and she misses badly enough to throw herself off balance and lose a chance, but at this point you are so tired from weaving and dodging that you can't come in with another swing.

    "You all right?" she asks, not showing the fatigue you're feeling.

    --M. J. Young

    Sat May 30 2009 2:09 am #
25. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Lauren, right or left handed?

    Must have failed the check pretty badly. I can't imagine only have 6 minutes of fight, I'd be way more determined than that.

    "You all right?" she asks, not showing the fatigue you're feeling.

    "Let's just say I'm glad this wasn't a real fight. I can honestly say that's the first time a woman ever wore me out..... So what are you doing now? I can't exactly let you beat me up twice without you buying me dinner. That just wouldn't be right. What do you say? Hey, if it works out, I get a girlfriend and a bodyguard." (The last said with an obvious note of sarcasm.)

    And yes, this is me asking her out on a date.

    "After that, I think we should both be rested enough for another round, if you're up for it. I'd like to try that fighting blind, like I said. I can get it almost pitch black in my hotel suite. You want to try that again? The thing is, I must ask that you not strike as often, and more around more. (Using her attacks to move around, instead of actually attack) I'm sure you're better than me at fighting blind also. However, I do have excellent night vision. None of my friends liked coming to my apartment, because it was always so dark. I could see fine. What do you say?"

    And yes, that is true. I've always had a bit of an affinity for darkness. When I was a kid, I used to sit in the closet for hours, just because it was dark in there.

    Sat May 30 2009 2:28 am #
26. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    As per your advice some months ago, I am keeping the list of my Verser's Survival Pack on my desktop, and I will revise it as I see fit. I guess you're just going to have to trust me that what I said is what I really have in it. I'm not going to post it again probably until I verse out. I will (probably) be wearing it or have it very close by when I do (hence, having it in the first place) so that I will have some gear handy.

    I just realized something. As on-person equipment, I have 3 handguns, a 22 rifle, a crossbow, a 12 gauge shotgun and over 1,100 rounds of ammo, if you count the crossbow bolts. Plus, 4 hand grenades. Wherever I end up next, they better pray that they don't mess with me.....

    Sat May 30 2009 8:35 am #
27. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Lauren is right-handed. Derek is left-handed, so it was a good question.

    "Sorry. I think I mentioned I have a lecture tonight. I'm teaching, and it's an extremely erratic schedule, because I'm billed as a visiting guest lecturer in anthropology--talking about primitive cultures I've encountered around the universe."

    You and she and Derek can try the blind fighting thing tomorrow. You can show Derek how it's done.

    --M. J. Young

    Mon Jun 1 2009 12:31 am #
28. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Lauren is right-handed. Derek is left-handed, so it was a good question.

    I was just trying to get a better mental picture of how the fight was going. A right-handed person will lead most of their attacks with their right hand, foot, or whatever. So, the fight went pretty much how I envisioned it.

    "OK Lauren, you go get your things done. Good match. I'd feel sorry for the poor sap that was actually trying to fight you. (hold out hand to shake) Let's go again tomorrow."

    Is Derek watching this fight? What does he think? When he starts laughing about how badly I did, tell him "I'd like to see you do better against her!!!!"

    I think I'll wait until tomorrow to try fighting blind. Does Lauren know how to do that? I think I would rather have the new use on boxing than on fighting blind if I do that against Lauren. Only 2 more and I'm a 2@1 boxer. Then maybe I'll be able to do better. (I don't suppose you could suggest any more new uses could you?)

    For the moment, since Lauren is leaving, rest for a bit, then go see if I can teach myself that spinning backhand punch. Also, practice solid punches. It would be Teach Self spinning backhand, throw solid punch, throw spinning backhand, throw solid punch, spinning backhand, throw solid punch, like that.

    Does Derek know anything about throwing punches? Can he give me any pointers?

    Is today my OkyDoky Smokey class? If so, go to that. If not, go take a long, hot, relaxing shower, and get some much-needed ZZZs. Tomorrow is day 10. Go pick up my holsters. It was a 9mm shoulder holster, the behind the back 357 holster, a pouch which holds two 357 speed loaders and another which holds 2 9mm magazines. The shoulder holster itself would be designed to hold 2 magazines on the right side with the gun on the left (for right-handed draw). Tomorrow, werk, skool, and then a rematch with the lovely Mrs Hastings.

    I'm wondering. Are Lauren, Derek and I all from the same original planet earth? How would I know? Well, I wouldn't, but I don't suppose it matters so much that you couldn't tell me.

    Mon Jun 1 2009 12:48 am #
29. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    If I may be permitted to make a suggestion. I have a feeling I am not going to live much past Lauren's Disaster. I certainly won't if the security tries to arrest me.... Anyway, since it seems my verse out is impending, I'd like to suggest that my next world be something with an obvious, blatantly evil nature, with a magic bias high enough to support summoning an angel. (If such a world exists) Something perhaps like that vampire world that Lauren goes to in the novel. I think my non-involvement philosophy might be grinding to a halt. (I mean an ANGEL OF GOD came to me!!!!!! I can't be bouncing around aimlessly!!) It's just a suggestion. That and 50 cents will get you a can of Pepsi.

    Mon Jun 1 2009 7:09 am #
30. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    Derek does not laugh at you. He has seen Lauren fight before, and has even seen her killed, and is still amazed at how good she is--"like something out of a kung fu movie".

    It is not my place to suggest new uses. Have you ever combined fighting blind with boxing before?

    Derek is weapons-oriented. Even when he trained with Lauren, he was learning to use his knife and his laser rifle better.

    I don't see the stats on the spinning backhand punch, but we'll talk about that Behind the Screens.

    I'm not sure that the question of whether Derek and Lauren are from the same "original" planet earth is important enough that I know the answer. I can tell you that in conversation you don't find any glaring differences between either of their worlds or yours, other than that they versed out quite a bit ago (before the Twin Towers attack) so they have no current information.

    --M. J. Young

    Mon Jun 1 2009 10:58 pm #
31. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    It is not my place to suggest new uses. Have you ever combined fighting blind with boxing before?

    No, I haven't. That would clearly be a new use. I'd rather have it on the boxing, if that's OK with you. I figure most fights I get into, I'll probably be able to see. Better to be good at fighting PERIOD than to improve a skill I might never use. And, yeah, I know it's not your place to suggest new uses, but come on, give a guy a break. I'll only need one more after that.

    "Derek, one thing that I have learned in my life is that you will always have your hands. You won't always have a weapon. Someone will get your knife away from you long before they will get your hands restrained. I taught a 12 year old kid how to box in my last world. You want to spar?"

    As far as the spinning backhand punch, it would do a lot more than annoying damage. I've seen that move used in fights before. It almost always floors the person hit. Since you can attack in any direction, it's a good move to know. Teach myself that, and practice the solid punch.

    Mon Jun 1 2009 11:11 pm #
32. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    Just wondering. I'm pretty sure I'm over the weight limit for my equipment. However, if I verse out whilst wearing the Verser's Survival Pack, then that reduces the weight, right? So, if I'm 100 pounds overweight, but verse out wearing a 150 pound backpack, then I get to take everything, because the 150 pound backpack doesn't count, right? I just want to make sure I understand everything.

    Speaking of which, if I'm carrying that thing constantly, wouldn't that count as weight lifting, and increase my strength and stamina?

    Tue Jun 2 2009 5:05 am #
33. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Multiple Posts, more than 21 hours later

    NOTES:

    Did you ever fight on your knees? New Use!!!!!! Although, against William, I probably did..... Of course, that's unrecorded practice if so.....

    I probably called him Billy Boy if there was no one that told me not to.... If he or Mr. Smith told me not to call him that, then I called him William.

    Any more new uses with a crossbow? THINK THINK THINK BOY!!!!!! Moving target, what else? Would it be a new use on guns if you shot one of Lauren's revolvers? I ain't never shot a guy that big before.... Wanna get to 1@10 with crossbow. Guns worked in the Low-Tech Dancing Princess, but would they work flatline? Crossbow probably would. GET GOOD WITH CROSSBOW!!!! That's why you built the damn thing in the first place!!!!!!!!! Yes, I know it's not the same crossbow you moron!!!!!!

    END OF NOTES:

    MJ, I never disowned that other crossbow. I sold it, yes, but I never completely disowned it. I know I would have some manner of sentimental attachment to it, since I built it with Mr. Smith. The arrows I wouldn't care about. However, it's within the realm of possibility that I still see that oak and steel crossbow as mine. How is that handled?

    (Doing Therapy)

    Wed Jun 3 2009 2:09 am #
34. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Multiple Posts, more than 19 hours later.

    MJ, does it matter to you what kind of folding stock that shotgun has? I'd want the metal, top folding stock. (Like on the shotguns in Jurassic Park) That shotgun was a SPAS 12, same shotgun the Terminator had. However, since this is the future, I'd bet they have it. Can we just say it has that kind of stock? "Come on!!! I didn't argue about the 8 shells in the gun!!!" (Said with a childlike, wheedling tone of voice)

    (Doing Therapy)

    Wed Jun 3 2009 9:52 pm #
35. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Multiple Posts

    (Hey, it's the game thread. I can post here as often as I want.)

    Have I seen any guns/knives/explosives that would double as articles of clothing? I've been told that the German officers in WW2 had a belt buckle which was also a double-barrel, 25 caliber derringer, as part of the dress uniform. My friend Mike described it as a "5 feet away, get you out of a jam weapon"

    Just an aside, on a double-barrel weapon, both barrels firing simultaneously would be a realistic botch. It still costs them an attack, if both barrels fire, there isn't a second attack. (Although, both barrels at once would probably blow to target to smithereens)

    I used to have a belt buckle that had a 2 inch bladed folding knife stuck to it. Not much of a weapon, but it was really handy.

    And of course, exploding cuff links are a staple of the spy adventures.

    Have I seen anything like that? I'd even take a laser gun. Better to be 1@1 and have the gun than be a 3@10 and not have it. (That sentence makes sense to me, for some reason)

    (Doing Therapy)

    Wed Jun 3 2009 11:32 pm #
36. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    "Oh, sure. I once had a kid take the knife from me and kill me with it--but I took his chain from him, and killed him with it, and then I also had the chain. I'm fine, really. I'm not built for that kind of fighting."

    Derek is, incidentally, a particularly unathletic looking overweight kid.

    You are correct that the backpack does not count if you are wearing it when you verse out. However, since you have now made an issue out of the backpack, I have to check on it.

    You have a 1@9 strength. That means you can carry up to 19 pounds "unencumbered", without it having any effect on you whatsoever. That includes all clothing, weapons, and equipment however carried.

    Above 19 pounds up to 38 pounds you are "encumbered". At these levels, movement is reduced to half the rate as "unencumbered", and all more complex bod skills are impeded by a -20 sit-mod. Also, stamina checks must be made to continue after a number of minutes equal to your decimalized stamina times your stamina level--for you, you are resting every eighteen minutes while you wear that.

    Your maximum "I can carry this" weight is twice that, 76 pounds, listed as "maximum". When you are above 38 but not above 76 pounds, you are prevented from performing body skills beyond the most basic, are slowed to one fourth your normal velocity in all bod movement skills, and you must make regular stamina checks to continue beyond a number of minutes equal to your decimalized stamina--again, for you, every eighteen minutes.

    You can lift up to 76 pounds without a check; there is no danger that you would not lift it or that you would hurt yourself. Above that to twice that, you can lift up to 152 pounds on a successful simple (2d20) check, which can be bonused if you are on the low end, and twice again as much, 304 pounds, on a successful difficult (d30+10) check. The simple check weight allows you to move short distances--a few steps. The difficult check weight assumes a serious rush of adrenaline in an emergency situation, such as lifting one end of a car off someone you know, and very little movement in the process.

    We can say that you are carrying a pack of 76 pounds as part of a strength/stamina training program. Such a training program would increase your strength and stamina by one intensity in two hundred days. That increase would raise your weight limits to 20# unencumbered, 40# encumbered, 80# maximum, 160# simple check, 320# difficult check. I would also say that the program you've described is double doubled. That means it will be quite exhausting for you now, but will continue to push you (after another 200 days) into the 2@1 range. At 2@1 you gain a "normal encumbrance" category between "unencumbered" and "encumbered", for which Movement is reduced to 3/4 normal, complex bod skills suffer a penalty of -10, and stamina checks are not required. The unencumbered weight limit for a 2@1 strength jumps to 42 pounds, 84# for normal, 168# for encumbered, 336# maximum, 672# simple check, 1344# difficult check. It really does make a difference crossing the level barrier, which is why it is so hard to do.

    So trim your "on person" gear to 76# or stop walking.

    I'm only strict about encumbrance when players make it an issue. If you want the benefits of carrying around more than you can carry, you pay the detriments as well.

    You have not seen any concealed weapons. Of course, if you could see them, they would not be very well concealed....

    --M. J. Young

    Thu Jun 4 2009 3:24 am #
37. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    From above, no wonder you missed it.

    MJ, I never disowned that other crossbow. I sold it, yes, but I never completely disowned it. I know I would have some manner of sentimental attachment to it, since I built it with Mr. Smith. The arrows I wouldn't care about. However, it's within the realm of possibility that I still see that oak and steel crossbow as mine. How is that handled?

    MJ, does it matter to you what kind of folding stock that shotgun has? I'd want the metal, top folding stock. (Like on the shotguns in Jurassic Park) That shotgun was a SPAS 12, same shotgun the Terminator had. However, since this is the future, I'd bet they have it. Can we just say it has that kind of stock? "Come on!!! I didn't argue about the 8 shells in the gun!!!" (Said with a childlike, wheedling tone of voice)

    On the encumbrance, let me think on that for a day or two. Right now isn't exactly a good time. Of course, the contents of the Verser's Survival Pack is listed on the first page of this thread, if you want to see if you can determine the weight of it. It's also now got that shotgun, another 9mm, and a few other misc items. I want the benefits, and I don't think I'm over 76 pounds, based on some checking I did last night.

    OK, so Derek looks more like the way I did when I was 12. I figured after 50 years in the verse, he would be more svelte and athletic than when he versed out. I know my character is.

    You have not seen any concealed weapons. Of course, if you could see them, they would not be very well concealed....

    And I also didn't see any dice rolls on the subject. Or this one of those Referee's Privileges?

    Thu Jun 4 2009 2:49 pm #
38. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    Looks like I was wrong. My (conservative) estimates put that at about 110 pounds if you include the belt bag and everything. I must point out a few things though. First, such backpacks are designed to make carrying them easier, through use of weight distribution padding and metal support bars. (I'd think that would be some kind of bonus) Also, it is expected (at least by the military) that a person carry half of their body weight in their pack. (In my case, 110 pounds would be less than half my body weight) I don't know if there's anything for that, but I thought I would mention it.

    Should I try to drop the weight of the pack, or what should I do?

    EDIT (Doing Therapy for edit)
    Also, just to be completely clear on the subject, are you sure that the 76 pounds isn't want I'm supposed to lift with my arms? A backpack like that would be mostly supported by your legs. I don't think carrying a 110 pound backpack for a 240 pound man would be unreasonable, but as Osevens would say "Your mileage may vary"

    Just an aside, I remember once when I was a kid, my little sister wanted to try to give me a piggyback ride. (Like carrying a backpack, you know) I outweighed her by 30 pounds easily, but I remember she made it one lap around the inside of the house without much of a problem.

    Thu Jun 4 2009 5:21 pm #
39. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    I apologize. I did see the comments about the shotgun and gave thought to the answer, but it slipped my mind while I was working through everything else.

    You made me search, but I found what I wanted, on page 402, the last paragraph of the section on "Contested Equipment":
    

    any character who freely and willingly gives up possession of an item in a way which the recipient would believe was both voluntary (not coerced) and permanent has given up all claim to that object.

    Selling your crossbow indicates that you have given up all claim to it. Had you lent it to someone, or given it to someone to use or to hold, or left it somewhere without disowning it, those would all be cases in which you at least might take it with you. Selling it is an agreed transfer of ownership.

    Could you scam someone by pretending to sell them something you intend to keep? If you did that, you would have to state this intent to the referee at the time of the sale, and the referee would have to consider whether your intended deception created subliminal cues that might on a successful intuition check cause the purchaser to distrust you; in any case, you would create a contested equipment situation, in which you would have one chance on verse-out to beat the buyer in a comparative will power check and take the object. If you failed to roll a better successful difficult will power check at that moment, he would keep it and you would never get another shot.

    I thought I had O.K.'d the shotgun design. Sorry.

    You have not seen any concealed weapons. Of course, if you could see them, they would not be very well concealed....

    And I also didn't see any dice rolls on the subject. Or this one of those Referee's Privileges?

    This is one of those "nature of the world" things. People in TerraNova don't carry weapons openly. It's shopping mall, office buildings, hotels--at least in my experience I don't see people wandering around such places visibly armed. You have never said that you were carefully examining strangers to see if you could determine whether they had any concealed weapons on them. You merely asked if you had seen any. I suspect that there are none; I suspect that you and Derek and Lauren are the only people you have ever noticed carrying weapons at all. That's the way this habitat works: people don't carry weapons because they don't need them here. The odds that you would notice someone carrying a hidden weapon without looking are non-existent. The odds that you would find someone carrying a hidden weapon if you searched carefully are probably one in a thousand. I don't have to roll for things so improbable that a handful of ten-sided dice coming up matched would be more likely.

    irst, such backpacks are designed to make carrying them easier, through use of weight distribution padding and metal support bars. (I'd think that would be some kind of bonus) Also, it is expected (at least by the military) that a person carry half of their body weight in their pack.

    Please do not forget that I have a thousand miles of canoeing and backpacking experience, and training in this area. 76 pounds is generous for a backpack that you carry constantly. Standard rule is 1/3 your body weight but never over forty pounds; I have carried sixty pound packs when I was in my prime, and they were exhausting.

    As to military standards, a lot of training goes into making someone able to carry that much. I would wager that by the time an infantry soldier is out of basic he has been pushed to a 2@1 strength and stamina, and has special skill in carrying gear. You do not have that. I think were you to don a 50 pound pack for an hour, that would get you clear on this.

    Concerning your sister carrying you, the question is not by how much you outweighed her but what your weight was relative to her strength. A pixie with a 2@1 strength can lift as much as a giant with a 2@1 strength. Also, she is not carrying you long distances, but falls more into the category of lifting you.

    Yes, carrying the weight on your back is easier, for all the reasons you assert; it is still as tiring over time.

    --M. J. Young

    Thu Jun 4 2009 9:11 pm #
40. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    I was going to insist on the derringer belt buckles, but I decided not to. Please disregard any further reference to them.

    Please do not forget that I have a thousand miles of canoeing and backpacking experience, and training in this area.

    Actually, since I never knew that in the first place, I don't see how I could have forgotten it.... (Bad Joke, I know) In that case, I will cut the pack down to 76 pounds. I've already started thinking on how to do it. Just give me a day or two.

    (Doing Therapy)

    Thu Jun 4 2009 9:33 pm #
41. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Two Posts

    MJ, since we're talking about it, when I verse out, whether I'm wearing it or not, the Verser's Survival Pack and all its contents are my first priority of equipment to take. That would be my "Take it all all costs" item.

    (Doing Therapy)

    Fri Jun 5 2009 1:05 am #
42. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Multiple Posts

    I'd also like to see about getting a Ruger 10/22 with a folding stock. (It's a semi-auto, 22 caliber, magazine fed rifle) Ditch the AR 7, this would be much greater firepower, exactly the same use characteristics. (Same weight, comparable size, etc) (Plus, I'm familiar with them) They make 25, 50, and 100 round magazines for it. A semi auto 22 with a 100 round magazine makes an awful lot of lead throwing. (Only reason it isn't classed as an assault rifle on our world is because it's only a 22 caliber) Same or greater hunting characteristics as the AR 7. Check into it whilst I'm at the gun store. We know the Ruger brand exists, the 10/22 was one of their best selling items. If they have the P89, the 10/22 (at least I'd think) would be almost a certainty.

    And now that I think about it, it pretty much matches the game's jam rate. I'd say 1 or 2 rounds out of 100 would not be an unrealistic jam rate with the 10/22. That would be about right.

    Would they buy the AR 7 back? Anyone with 1@10 or better gun experience would be able to tell it hadn't been fired. (More or less a straight trade would suit me just fine) Go through the computer of course, but I imagine both weapons cost about the same amount. Of course, I'd have to purchase magazines for the 10/22 (pronounced "Ten-twenty-two"). It would probably come with a single, 10 round magazine. (BTW, these magazines are kind of weird, I'll go into more detail later) A 10/22 and four 100 round magazines would be almost the same weight, and a heckuvalot more firepower.

    Would they be interested in buying my Marlin 22? (Only if they have the 10/22, that is) It's a piece of junk, I admit. (Paid $60 for it at a flea market) But it was a good gun. If I can get a 10/22, I'll probably ditch the Marlin as well. If I can get enough for that to get four 100 round magazines, I'll be a happy camper. (On our world, the magazines would go for about $15-20 each, so that wouldn't be TOO unrealistic.) Of course, I will pay any disparaging difference.

    I'd say 2@1 skill with a 10/22. It was the 22 I cut my teeth on.

    (Doing Therapy)

    Fri Jun 5 2009 2:12 am #
43. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Multiple Posts, 12 hours later

    And of course, don't forget to try the spinning backhand punch as well as practice solid punch. The stats on the spinning backhand punch I posted behind the screens before you made yesterday's post. You just have to do a bit of digging.

    Fri Jun 5 2009 2:31 pm #
44. 

    JohnA1nut
    Member

    Multiple Posts, 4 hours after last.

    Have I seen any single shot 12 gauge shotguns? No, these would not be covered in the roll for double barreled guns. Like the AR 7 collapsible, these are frequently made for survivalist use. Also, single shot guns differ greatly in general from double barreled guns. A survivalist gun would have a collapsible wire stock, and a rack to hold a handful of shells. (5 or 6 would be my guess) Anything like that?

    Do they have any 12 gauge flares? (I now see why I need to ask, instead of you telling me) I'd think both of these would be almost a certainty. They seem to deal with survivalist items.

    (After this, I think the pack will be down to (or close to) the requested weight. I'll post it when I'm ready.)

    And yeah MJ, I know I make a lot of posts on the thread, but look at it like a well-organized, but very long, single post. (Besides, you sit around the house all day with nothing to do, and tell me you aren't doing the same thing)

    The way I envision this gun store is pretty much like our gun stores here. Specializing in 3 main types of weaponry. Top of the line primitive weapons, a wide assortment of common guns, and survivalist items. So, instead of muzzleloaders, the primitive weapons are what I'm buying, the common guns are the lasers and whatnot, and the survivalist items are just high-tech versions of what you would find on our world. (My crossbow, the Collapsible AR 7 that I have, etc.) That's the way I envision it.

    (Doing Therapy)

    Fri Jun 5 2009 7:22 pm #
45. 

    M. J. Young
    Moderator

    John, I should mention that you have seen Lauren's wagon. Since you read about it in the novel, I'll not describe it in detail. Derek carries some of his stuff in baskets on his bicycle (the really dorky baskets his uncle said he would one day appreciate when he put them on his really cool mountain bike--and yes, he does appreciate them), plus a small backpack and a large backpack, but he only carries the large one on his back when he travels, the small one being more of a bookbag/utility pack for immediate needs.

    We've fallen into the inconsistency of talking about brand name weapons. When we started, we were talking about "something comparable to" particular brand name weapons, and using the brand names to keep track of them. They did not have the Ruger P-89; they had a gun just like the Ruger P-89 which we call that for simplicity.

    The .22 you have is as close as you can find to the one you want.

    You do not manage to teach yourself the spinning backhand; the spin is an unfamiliar sort of move, and you keep losing your sense of direction through it.

    You rarely see much variety in the archaic weapons which interest you; mostly you special order these. There are very few shotguns of any kind on the racks, and the dealer is more interested in selling what he has at the moment.

    What exactly is a 12 gauge flare? Is this a shotgun shell that fires a flaming round? How long does it burn--a minute, like a flare gun, or an hour, like road flares?

    (Besides, you sit around the house all day with nothing to do, and tell me you aren't doing the same thing)

    Comments like that will get you blacklisted--particularly when I'm supposed to be off today but I'm trying to get done the work I didn't do yesterday because I had three major errands of one to three hours each, and today I'm being interrupted every twenty minutes by someone who needs my help.

    You have no idea.

    --M. J. Young

    Sat Jun 6 2009 10:56 pm #

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