What is the equivalent penetration power of the second approach compared to gamma ray?
The intensity of gamma ray will be reduced 50% by 1 cm lead. (Source from Wikipedia.)
If the skill penetration power is equivalent to gamma ray then it will be reduced to about 1% to 2% by 6 cm lead and less than 1% by 7 cm lead. (Calculation are done based on the source above.)
subject to the problems created by density, as just mentioned.
1) Does this mean at a certain depth of high density object the skill would not work or would it still work but a longer time is needed to move to the next (deeper) molecule?
2) Can I target the deepest molecule possible for the skill then start observing a deeper molecule?
I will note the tree DNA for future reference.
*****
The disadvantage is that it can be more information than you need or want, and take too long to process particularly with complex compounds and mixtures.
Some of the above problem would be solved by:
A spectroscopic image would also have different levels of brightness for the color bands according to the relative amounts of each element present.
So Factor 1 is partially solved by Factor 2.
This would leave the problem of recognizing whether it is a mixture or compound which will be discussed in Factor 3.
I am not certain of this, but I think that spectroscopy gives us elements but not compounds--that something containing water would have the same color bars as something containing both hydrogen and oxygen in discrete form or in compound with other ingredients.
Although the color of the element would be the same, the energy released by mixture and compound would be different. Energy at various states would also be different.
These energy levels (which include thermal or chemical energy) would probably be perceived as colors of their own (like how birds perceive UV light) to help determine the properties of the object.
This will be discussed further in Factor 4.
Spectroscopic analysis includes the fact that elements emit radiations at increasing brightness and increasing numbers of colors as their temperature rises.
That would be true for normal spectroscopic analysis. For this psionic skill, any signal that is helpful to analyze the chemistry of the object will be considered and that includes the signal that is from the second approach. This signal could probably compensate for situation such as low brightness or temperature. (The first approach could also detect the molecule in low brightness so this info could probably help the third approach.)
extremely cold objects
The 'color' which represents temperature would be darker. The information receive from radiation might be less but probably the info from my previous two approaches will help to compensate for it.
As far as the depth, my inclination is that the combined depth and density would create a sit-mod against the successful use of the skill. There are two ways that could be handled mechanically, but we should agree on one.
- You would state that you were going to look at a specific depth into the object, and the density of the object and depth would be used to determine a sit-mod value. (Since "density" is an attribute of both people and materials in Multiverser, I'm inclined to think that the appropriate level is probably something like density/10 per inch. Human density is 1@1, so it would be -1 per inch up to five inches when you'd cross the midpoint and round 5.5 up to -6. Densities of materials range up to 6@10, so the maximum penalty would be -7 per inch, and materials with densities less than 0@5 would never pose a penalty (which is why you can use the skill unhampered by air).) The sit-mod would then be subtracted from your chance of success, and you would either succeed at seeing the point you selected or fail to make the skill work as desired (possibly botching, of course, but that's always a risk).
- You could state that you were going to look into the material "as deep as possible", and an unmodified roll would be made for whether the skill works at all. Inverting the sit-mod function, we would get the number of inches you reached by relative success--e.g., if you rolled (a successful) 57 trying to look into a creature with human density, we would divide it by the 1@1 density and get (57/1.1=51.8) 52 inches; the same roll made on a 6@10 white dwarf alloy spaceship hull would give you (57/7=8.1) 8 inches depth. The advantage of this is that the skill has a higher chance of working and will get you to the maximum depth; the disadvantage is that it is incompatible with stating the depth in advance, and you would have to use the skill in either surface mode or maximum depth mode.
- In trying to devise a compromise, my inclination is that if you used the second version and you stated that you wanted to look so many inches into the target object, we would roll to see whether the skill worked, then calculate how many inches it worked for, and if that was high enough you could look that deep and otherwise you would have succeeded in looking into the object, but not as deep as desired. That might be sufficient.
If I understand the rest of your post correctly, you expect that the psionic spectroscopy would give you relative energy levels sufficient to tell you how the elements are combined in compounds as well as the current temperature of the target object. I might require an intellect check of you in connection with using this skill, because it means that the same rock would have different readings at different temperatures, and since the essence of the skill involves recognizing that a pattern is identical or nearly so and the temperature aspect distorts that, your ability to match patterns becomes very significant.
Or am I getting confused by the combination of multiple skills doing the same thing? We really need to resolve one skill completely before starting another when they are this similar.
--M. J. Young
In trying to devise a compromise, my inclination is that if you used the second version and you stated that you wanted to look so many inches into the target object, we would roll to see whether the skill worked, then calculate how many inches it worked for, and if that was high enough you could look that deep and otherwise you would have succeeded in looking into the object, but not as deep as desired. That might be sufficient.
That caters to my liking.
Your approach to find max depth by inverting sit-mod function is appreciated.
So below is the formula for my future reference:
Max depth = (relative success)/density
To move beyond the maximum depth you would have to roll again and get a better successful roll; in doing so you would have to state whether you were trying to move from your current location or restarting the skill at another target point.
I could probably move along the object molecule to search for anomaly (such as micro-cracks, air bubble and others) so if I can find it the skill probably could go deeper (which means an anomaly in the molecule structure that could give a hint on its weak point).
Can I practice the skill to search for structure weakness or is this a new use for the skill?
*****
If I understand the rest of your post correctly, you expect that the psionic spectroscopy would give you relative energy levels sufficient to tell you how the elements are combined in compounds as well as the current temperature of the target object. I might require an intellect check of you in connection with using this skill, because it means that the same rock would have different readings at different temperatures, and since the essence of the skill involves recognizing that a pattern is identical or nearly so and the temperature aspect distorts that, your ability to match patterns becomes very significant.
Consider an experiment where an iron bar is heated at one end.
Before it is heated, it is in near zero temperature where I will see the iron bar in one color which represents iron.
For simplicity, let us call the color that represent iron bar 'blue' and color that represent temperature 'red' although in the vision it would be a new color.
When heated, I will see the color 'red' will become brighter thus making the iron bar look from 'blue' to 'violet' and finally to 'purple'.
I know that temperature represent the color 'red' so I will get the color 'blue' when I filter the color red from 'violet' and 'purple'.
So for this filtration process to occur, an intellect check is sufficient.
I wonder if this can be a good practice for intellect (at later stage) due to matching various patterns and extracting useful data from it.
Or am I getting confused by the combination of multiple skills doing the same thing?
Sorry, I did not see the part where you got confused because you seem to understand my previous post correctly. I hope my explanation above will help you understand it further.
It is hard for a color blind person to perceive a color that he/she does not see.
So this skill is probably hard to imagine.
The depth and density of the first target material will impact your chance of success, so I will have to ask what substance you intend to use to learn this skill.
--M. J. Young
Max depth = (relative success)/density
Well, I miss something in the above formula.
It should be:
Max depth (in inches) = (relative success)/(density penalty)
where:
Density penalty = density/10
so that will make the correct formula:
Max depth (in inches) = 10*(relative success)/density
*****
The depth and density of the first target material will impact your chance of success, so I will have to ask what substance you intend to use to learn this skill.
What skill are you talking about?
I already learned the second approach and I have targeted the inside of the tree.
The discussion about the second approach are made just to understand its limitation.
*****
The third approach would have the range of normal eye sight so I think it does not have any particular target although the object can be search right after opening my eyes.
To recap on the third approach:
The third approach of analyze chemistry actually analyze the energy absorbed or emitted by a particle to distinguish it from another.
I will close my eyes and beginning to set the color to specific variable in my mind for 4 minutes. I will then open my eyes and look at the said object (or object of choice).
The kind of energy analyzed from this approach range from electromagnetic, thermal, chemical energy (electrostatic potential energy of electric charges) or any vision that might help to analyze the chemistry of an object through analyzing the energy level that is emitted/absorbed by said object.
I wonder how my surrounding including myself will look like after activating the third approach of analyze chemistry.
The first substance you see when you open your eyes probably would be air.
After that would be anything in front of me such as my hands, legs, and other things that is around me at that time.
I am definitely getting muddled. I have two approaches listed on your sheet has having been successfully learned:
- 1@2 Analyze Chemistry by Visual Perception of Molecular Structure in Slow Motion P9@1 (light not essential) 30:00 preparatory concentration, can be focused to observe quark level instead (separate use) +59SM
- 1@2 Analyze Chemistry to Diagram View P9@1 after concentrating for 20:00 extend both hands toward object to be analyzed, closing eyes, displays molecular diagram view of material targeted, user can specify distance but density of targeted material can be a limiting factor +39SM
O.K., that's where it is. We are clarifying the second skill by adding the factor, <i>Maximum depth in inches equals relative success divided by one tenth density</i>.
So it now reads
- 1@2 Analyze Chemistry to Diagram View P9@1 after concentrating for 20:00 extend both hands toward object to be analyzed, closing eyes, displays molecular diagram view of material targeted, user can specify distance but density of targeted material can be a limiting factor, Maximum depth in inches equals relative success divided by one tenth density, +39SM
Is this correct? Are we finished with this version of the skill?
--M. J. Young
Is this correct? Are we finished with this version of the skill?
Yes. (There are always room for improvement but for now let just say that we are finish with it so we can move on to the next skill.)
Well, onto to the third approach then.
The skill summary is on my previous post (just before this one).
*****
I wonder if there are any new or interesting event happening around this time (from various sources or skills).
The third approach of analyze chemistry actually analyze the energy absorbed or emitted by a particle to distinguish it from another.
I will close my eyes and beginning to set the color to specific variable in my mind for 4 minutes. I will then open my eyes and look at the said object (or object of choice).
The kind of energy analyzed from this approach range from electromagnetic, thermal, chemical energy (electrostatic potential energy of electric charges) or any vision that might help to analyze the chemistry of an object through analyzing the energy level that is emitted/absorbed by said object.
Is this the one that gives you spectroscopic images and which incidentally gives you information from multiple chemicals simultaneously? (That is, if you are looking at a mixture of several materials such as dirt you will see the colors identifying all the elements present in the dirt, and will have to sort out by matching and elimination which elements are present in what combinations.)
--M. J. Young
Is this the one that gives you spectroscopic images and which incidentally gives you information from multiple chemicals simultaneously?
Yes, that is my third approach of analyze chemistry.
You succeed in getting a spectroscopic image of the radiations coming from your target object, but you find the information overwhelming and very difficult to sort in your mind. You've a rough idea of some basic elements present, but can't at the moment determine how they relate to each other. Of course, this is the first time you've seen these images, so it's likely that you would not yet know any of the patterns.
--M. J. Young
You succeed in getting a spectroscopic image of the radiations coming from your target object, but you find the information overwhelming and very difficult to sort in your mind.
That is to be expected for first time use.
You've a rough idea of some basic elements present, but can't at the moment determine how they relate to each other.
By practicing this skill with my other analyze chemistry skills, I could probably find a pattern that can relate what I view to produce useful information. My intellect would probably benefit from this practice.
For this first try, I will look at my surrounding and try to remember what the pattern are for each position for future reference.
I will also compare what I see with this skill with my normal vision so I can at least distinguish what object I am looking at.
If I see a weird pattern that I cannot distinguish then I will remember the position so that I can look at that position again when my vision returns to normal.
I will look at my hands and I will rub my hands together slightly to increase heat so I know how a sprite hand will look like before and after a slight temperature increase.
This will probably give me a hint on how to filter temperature.
I would also like to see the difference of things that are in the dark and well-lighted places such as the leaves in the shade and the leaves is shone by the sun.
This will probably give me a hint on how to filter light energy.
I hope I could do all of the above before my skill duration runs out. If it runs out before I am done doing the above then I will do the above during the skill practice.
*****
Due to success of this skill, I am thinking of a new approach that will combine the properties of second (due to its ability to penetrate through object) and the third (due to its ability to see at a wider range) approach to make a vision that looks at density much like x-ray vision. If I am not mistaken, this would be the seventh approach to analyze chemistry but this would only concentrate on density.
This skill however have to wait for its turn because after this would be the fourth approach that will combine the first approach with clairvoyant.
To avoid confusion, probably we should finish discussing the third approach first before moving to the next one.
Excellent idea.
The way this skill works, you seem to have a four-dimensional image in your mind. This is why:
If you were to look at a tree, you would see the energy emanating from the exterior of the tree, thus the bark and to some degree the wood beneath it (since some of the energy from the wood will penetrate the bark). You would also see somewhat different radiations coming from the leaves, which you can see at the same time. There is also radiant energy (if only light) coming to you from the space around the tree.
Since you can see the energy coming from various objects, it must be focused, giving you the normal two-dimensional data you get from each eye. (That's not completely accurate; your eye gives you some third-dimension data based on focal distance and parallax, but the bulk of your three-dimensional vision is constructed from the slight differences in what your two eyes see.) Thus the radiant energy that comes from the trunk is perceived as having the shape of the trunk, while that of the leaves has the shape of the leaves, to the degree that you can distinguish them at this range. Yet you are able to perceive the spectral bars that interpret the material at which you are looking, and to do so for each point. This, then, is perceived as if stacked, as if the color bars were positioned in front of each other between you and the object. However, this does not distort your depth perception; the object is still perceived as being thus far from you, and the color bars are as if they were in some other space. Further, if it were a three-dimensional image you would have to rotate it in your mind to see the color bars, but since it is a three-dimensional view it seems that you are somehow able to see all the color bars individually as being in the same point in three-dimensional space but distinctly oriented relative to each other such that you can identify them.
I'm not writing that on the character sheet; please remind me of that feature if it is ever relevant to the use of the skill.
This also means that the objects you perceive have the same shape. Color is a bit trickier. (My discussion of Infravision, Ultravision, and Physiology is informative on this point if you've not already read it.) It is possible that you will see a yellow object as having a strong band of yellow light, but it is possible that an object which you normally perceive as yellow would be strong in both red and green and have no yellow radiation at all. (I am not going to attempt to give the specific color bars for each object most of the time. I will note that modern paints and inks use a CMYK pigmentation system, and thus the colors we see are illusions created by the blending of reflected light at narrowly specific frequencies, but that older paints and colorings which used natural pigments are much less predictable.)
--M. J. Young
An interesting skill indeed. There is so much exploring to do with this skill.
since it is a three-dimensional view it seems that you are somehow able to see all the color bars individually as being in the same point in three-dimensional space but distinctly oriented relative to each other such that you can identify them.
If it is like that then it would be easier to match the pattern of the color bars to a specific variable. I will try to remember the pattern that I could not figure out for future reference. This will help me figure out what the pattern represents if there are changes in one of the variable.
Did I figure out what color bar represent the temperature or light level during the skill activation by doing the below?
1) Comparing the pattern of my hand before and after I rub them together.
2) Comparing the pattern of leaves in dark (in the shade) and well-lighted area.
I wonder if I see any interesting properties when I look at my own hand considering that sprite hand produce light.
*****
I would probably need something to record the various information I get reliably and store it in encrypted form so that it would only be understood if the person can decrypt it.
I wonder if my enhanced memory recollection can keep up with all the information that I have gather from my various skills so far.
If not, I would probably have to develop encrypted information recording skill first before continuing with the other skills.
*****
I wonder how much time have past since I reattempt the second method.
That would be Month 15 (June) if you wanted to check. For your reference, you posted the month transition on Dec 2 2009.
You are able to identify a change in temperature in rubbing your hands; you don't find it when you look at the different leaves, but it may be a more difficult task, given that the leaves are attempting to use the energy which strikes them.
Nothing about the molecular structure of your hand suggests the origin of the light, and the light seems completely independent of it, being a broad spectrum white that creates a rainbow across your energy analysis, every color indicated at a moderate level. It interferes with your ability to read your own molecular structure to some degree.
Your enhanced memory is a recall function; in essence if you succeed in making the roll, you remember the targeted information. The volume of information is irrelevant.
And with that, let us move to July, your sixteenth month. Your lower bicuspids came in last month (skipping the cuspid, leaving a gap next to the incisors), and now your upper bicuspids do the same. You continue to practice dealing with the pain. Your mother in particular is impressed with how little you complain about it.
--M. J. Young
I will practice the 'vision' to identify change in temperature and light level in various things around me. I will also practice this 'vision' with my other analyze chemistry skills so that I can identify the color representation for each element.
It interferes with your ability to read your own molecular structure to some degree.
I wonder how it interferes with my 'vision' considering the 'vision' can see through the light (which oddly appear on the surface like an aura so it may go through clothes) and directly to a point on my skin (if I understand the description before correctly).
The origin of the light still is a mystery that I will attempt to solve in the near future. I wonder if this light can be suppressed and what is the penetration limitation of the light so that a special cloth can be designed to absorb or suppress the light.
*****
Month 16 (July):
I wonder if I can walk properly or even run right about now.
I also wonder if I can pronounce word properly by now.
I think I would like to try the fourth approach of analyze chemistry which will add clairvoyant to the first approach.
The description would still be the same as the first approach but add the clairvoyant part.
The first approach description:
1@2 Analyze Chemistry by Visual Perception of Molecular Structure in Slow Motion P9@1 (light not essential) 30:00 preparatory concentration, can be focused to observe quark level instead (separate use) +59SM
The third approach reads as follows:
1@1 Analyze Chemistry by Spectroscopic Imaging P9@1 allows user to perceive all energies emanating or reflecting from all materials in view as color bars which can be sorted to identify materials and energy levels, following 4:00 preparation, an intellect check may be necessary to interpret the information, +30SMThus it is an interpretation of energy coming from a specific direction, and it reads materials which are behind other materials only to the degree that the energy from those other materials passes through. Because of this, the light which emanates from your body, which seems to be white in that it is a combination of light across the visible spectrum, creates a low-level interference with the energy coming from the objects, within the visible spectrum.
Physically you are doing what is called "cruising": you are able to move on two legs as long as you can steady yourself against another object. Thus you can walk around a tree, and if you can reach the branch of another tree or bush you can use that to stabilize yourself for a short distance; you can walk while holding the hand of your mother or father. You can stand for short periods, but cannot lift one leg to walk unless you have a third point of support with your hands.
Your physical ability to pronounce words is still very limited, and (as Nikolaj observes) you have put a great deal of your time into developing psionic skills rather than physical ones, so you are not ahead of schedule in this area. You can say a few words, including whatever you call your parents (probably "Momma" and "Dadda", but as long as it's not too difficult to say I'll accept a different variant), "water", "eat", and you can put these together in very short strings such as "Momma eat." There are times when you know that the grammar is wrong but your mouth is not fully cooperating with pronouncing all the letters, so you're more likely to say "Momma eat" than "Momma eats". Of course, your comprehension of language far outstrips expectations for your age; the problem lies in your ability to form it.
What is your target for the clairvoyant chemical analysis skill?
--M. J. Young
Because of this, the light which emanates from your body, which seems to be white in that it is a combination of light across the visible spectrum, creates a low-level interference with the energy coming from the objects, within the visible spectrum.
So that mean I have to filter the noise produced by light energy from my own body. This could be done by remembering the pattern for the light and its intensity after it emanates from the body then comparing this pattern to the pattern from the skin so that the original pattern from the skin could be produced.
This is where the intellect check is needed right?
*****
You can stand for short periods, but cannot lift one leg to walk unless you have a third point of support with your hands.
Looks like I have to practice walking more. I guess 1 slot of exercise time is inadequate. I wonder if learning to control my muscle better by observing how it works psionically has any positive effects.
you have put a great deal of your time into developing psionic skills rather than physical ones, so you are not ahead of schedule in this area.
Looks like I have to schedule running as my next action after I learn how to walk properly.
*****
What is your target for the clairvoyant chemical analysis skill?
Can I target my own brain cell or neuron?
If I can then that will be my first target.
I would also try to target the cornea of any animal considering the clairvoyant will move relative to it.
I would also try to see the air molecule around my skin to see if the electron behaves differently from normal air to create photons.
If this is true then I will have to look for the energy that makes the electron to behave that way to find the origin of light from my body.
I wonder if the density at the center of black hole is 6@10 or is it infinity?
I wonder what will happen if I use the second approach to look at a black hole reactor or something.
That sort of sorting of information could be done by an intellect check.
Since the skill is clairvoyant and allows for targeting points inside other objects, you certainly can target your own brain matter. You get a chemical analysis of one molecule within the mass, a bit of RNA. You can move from molecule to molecule while the skill duration lasts; you find nothing you would not expect in terms of brain chemistry, which I assume means things like proteins, atropine, endorphins, serotonin, epinephrine, sugars, carbohydrates, water, and other common compounds and elements of the cells of carbon-based life forms. Is there something you are specifically seeking?
I agree that once targeted your clairvoyance could be established within the frame of reference of the animal's eye, and thus you could move relative to the eye; however, targeting the eye would require that you know the position of the animal's eye within your own frame of reference in order to do so--that is, you would have to know where the animal is relative to something you can locate directly. It would also mean another skill check.I would also try to target the cornea of any animal considering the clairvoyant will move relative to it.
You would also need another skill check to move from the center of your brain to the air around your skin, because the distance in sheer number of molecules is so great. I think that's a good idea, though.
You don't actually wonder this, because the statement assumes a game mechanic, and characters cannot think in game mechanics terms. You may wonder how dense the center of a black hole is and how that would impact your ability to perceive the material structure within it, but you may not express either the question nor the answer in game mechanics terms, except as a behind the screens question of mechanics.I wonder if the density at the center of black hole is 6@10 or is it infinity?
--M. J. Young
That sort of sorting of information could be done by an intellect check.
Did I manage to sort the information from my skin from the light emanating from it then?
*****
Is there something you are specifically seeking?
I like to learn more about various neurotransmitters and how they are produced, the way neuron communicate, neuron receptor and what inhibits the signal, neurogenesis (or creation of new neuron), the effect of learning or new memory to the brain and other action such as vivid vision (other than normal sight) as what I am doing right now.
targeting the eye would require that you know the position of the animal's eye within your own frame of reference in order to do so--that is, you would have to know where the animal is relative to something you can locate directly. It would also mean another skill check.
I think I have 'saved' the relative location of a bird before if I am not mistaken to look around with it with clairvoyant or at least try to do it in practice.
If for instance that I could not locate any animal for any particular reason then my own cornea would probably do as well (which I think will probably be the best option for the reason that will be discussed in the next section).
You would also need another skill check to move from the center of your brain to the air around your skin, because the distance in sheer number of molecules is so great.
I wonder if I can skip the molecules at the speed of normal clairvoyance to reach my intended location.
If this can be done probably I will go from brain to cornea then to air above skin.
I wonder if this is a new use or something.
If I cannot skip the molecules at the speed of normal clairvoyance then I will roll for another skill check for both cornea and the air above skin.
This will also give me more time to examine all three of them.
I think that's a good idea, though.
Thanks for the compliment.
*****
You don't actually wonder this, because the statement assumes a game mechanic, and characters cannot think in game mechanics terms.
That is the real (out-of-character) me wondering and that is why it is in italic form and if the character me wonders about anything it will be in non-italic form. Everything I say in italic can be treated as behind the screens questions and answers where you can answer here in italic form or in behind the screens in non-italic form. As a side note, you do not have to answer the wondering if you do not want to because there are just what I wonder about.
Yes, you manage to do a reading of your own skin through the light, in essence recognizing a baseline of flat white and spotting the variants that rise above it. This gives you something of a chemical reading of your body, and primarily the surface of the skin, but also such radiations as come from within it or pass through it.
In the quarter of an hour that you are able to maintain your focus on the brain you look at just over a dozen molecules, all of them pretty standard ingredience of protoplasm and cell structure, many of them duplicates. The RNA was interesting and probably related to the matter in question, but what you hope to learn will take years of study.
I'm not quite certain what you man when you say you "'saved' the relative location of a bird". That would imply to me that the bird has not moved since then, unless I've missed a bit of the scenario that puts the bird in a place known to you.
The matter of skipping at the speed of normal clairvoyance is moot. It was established that the normal operation of this type skill moves from molecule to molecule adjacently at the rate of one minute per molecule; to jump to another target location would require a successful skill check whether done to extend the use of the already rolled skill or to restablish the skill as a repeat use. Thus the dice have to be rolled to move to the other location either way. The only significant difference is that if you do it before the skill has run out, you don't lose the skill if you don't succeed in moving, but if you do it at the last moment of the skill's operation (you would feel it fading) and you fail, you have to restart with a repeated concentration effort. You can chain the skill by rolling successfully before it lapses.
I don't think I see a new use here either way, though. I'll admit that I'm not certain what would constitute a new use of this skill, but I don't think it's here.
You move from the brain to the cornea, and observe the molecular structures here for some time.
You then move to the air above your skin. The molecules here appear to be air; there is no indication of any cause here of the light.
--M. J. Young
This gives you something of a chemical reading of your body, and primarily the surface of the skin, but also such radiations as come from within it or pass through it.
I will remember the pattern for future comparison.
Thinking about comparison of sick/healthy and the difference from other animal.
*****
The RNA was interesting and probably related to the matter in question, but what you hope to learn will take years of study.
I will practice this skill to learn more about it.
Tell me if I have any breakthrough in this area.
I'm not quite certain what you man when you say you "'saved' the relative location of a bird".
Remember the discussion about the ship that moves?
If I start the clairvoyant in the location of the inner ship as it moves then when it moves the clairvoyant can still start from the inner of the ship even when I cannot see it anymore (or know its current position) right?
The relative location here means that it started from the place where the bird currently is hence the term "relative location of the bird". If I start clairvoyant from the last place the bird is then it would be "absolute location of the bird".
Thus the dice have to be rolled to move to the other location either way. The only significant difference is that if you do it before the skill has run out, you don't lose the skill if you don't succeed in moving, but if you do it at the last moment of the skill's operation (you would feel it fading) and you fail, you have to restart with a repeated concentration effort. You can chain the skill by rolling successfully before it lapses.
A cool feature. I think I will incorporate this feature in my future skills.
I don't think I see a new use here either way, though. I'll admit that I'm not certain what would constitute a new use of this skill, but I don't think it's here.
The cool feature above is what I want so if it is not a new use then its alright. Thanks for that.
You move from the brain to the cornea, and observe the molecular structures here for some time.
I will see what makes it translucent and what makes it reflect back some light.
I will remember the pattern so that I can recreate something like that in the future.
The molecules here appear to be air; there is no indication of any cause here of the light.
The electron here probably would behave differently from normal air because of the light. I will double check the difference of the electron in air around me and normal air. If that is not the case, then how would the light be emanated through the clothes that I wear.
I will try putting leaves on top of my skin until I could not see any light coming from my skin anymore or the leaves are too high too stack that it will fall down.
*****
Remember when you said I have to have support when I want to walk properly?
Taking a short break from developing new chemical analysis (which I will get back soon especially the density vision), I will try to develop something to support me psionically.
I will concentrate for 16 minutes for a support at one of my limb by visualizing a wall or platform at the angle of the chosen limb is when the skill activates.
Concerning the bird, I guess the part I am missing is whether you actually know the location of a particular bird at this moment, relative to your own location. The discussion of the ship is informative in this, in that you can indeed set your frame of reference for many skills with reference to the ship even if you are not on the ship--but to do so you must know the position of the ship relative to yourself at the moment you initiate the frame of reference. In the same way, if you can see the bird, or if you know that the bird is perched in that branch in that branch in that batch of leaves, you can target the bird and use it for your frame of reference; but in the latter case you would either have to take a random starting location in the bird to establish frame of reference (which might not tell you which direction was the head) or you would have to have certain knowledge of its location and position initially. (You can establish that clairvoyantly, on the assumption that you know the position of your clairvoyant viewpoint relative to yourself. You can't do it based solely on a guess.)
Most psionic skills that run for a duration can be chained in this way. Those that require a high degree of concentration might suffer cumulative penalties for extended periods of use, but in the main if you are using a skill and your time is expiring a successful skill check will add quarters to the meter, as it were.
Although this analyze chemistry skill does not perceive photons, there does not appear to be any origin for the photons in the matter you are observing. Also, stacking leaves on your skin does not block the light, which seems to exist between the leaves and above them. It is as if they entered the universe in this space.
I'm not entirely clear what you are attempting to do with this latest skill attempt, but let me see what I do understand. You have trouble walking because you cannot lift one foot without some extra balance point--holding someone's hand, touching the wall of the tree, that kind of thing. So you are attempting to create an invisible "force object" that would act perhaps like a crutch or cane to help uphold you. You intend to use a sixteen-minute prep time to get your mind focused on doing this. Then I get lost: you say that this force object will be at the angle of a designated limb when the skill activates. That suggests several possible alternatives to my mind--
- that you are creating a pole alongside one of your legs.
- that you are creating a brace like a splint to support one of your legs.
- that you are lifting one of your legs just before the skill activates, and expecting that the force will appear beneath it to hold it in its raised position.
- that you are going to extend one of your arms, perhaps parallel to the ground, so that the force will exist as a railing about shoulder height.
--M. J. Young
you can target the bird and use it for your frame of reference; but in the latter case you would either have to take a random starting location in the bird to establish frame of reference
If I want to re-initiate the skill again at the same starting location (from the frame of reference of the bird), can I do so without knowing the current relative position of the bird?
It is as if they entered the universe in this space.
If this is the case then the light should be block-able if I put the leave above a certain height from my skin.
If it is block-able at a certain height, I will note the range of the light. This data could probably be useful for skill such as light teleportation and illusion.
that you are going to extend one of your arms, perhaps parallel to the ground, so that the force will exist as a railing about shoulder height.
This one is close but the 'railing' here will be a platform about thrice the size of the palm in diameter (or less if it is obstructed by something solid) that will exist just below my palm (floating in mid-air) as I extend my hand forward and my palm facing the ground. If the palm of my hand are parallel to the wall then the 'railing' here will be a wall.
For this first attempt, I will (concentrate for 16 minutes then) choose my left hand and extend it sideway with my palm of the hand parallel to the wall so a 'force wall' might appear which I can use to be a support.
If you are "chaining" the skill (reinitiating it before it terminates) you retain the frame of reference. If the skill has already dropped or been dropped, you no longer have the frame of reference of the bird (unless you have it in a second skill, e.g., if you targeted the bird clairvoyantly and still have the position clairvoyantly, or if before you lost the clairvoyant analyze chemistry link you established a clairsentient reference point).If I want to re-initiate the skill again at the same starting location (from the frame of reference of the bird), can I do so without knowing the current relative position of the bird?
The light exists in the space beginning about the width of the nail on your little finger to a distance about the length of your index finger. If you place something beyond that distance, it blocks the light. The light thus appears above your clothes, which are all within that distance, but not outside the tree when you are wintering.
Also, you notice that your parents' light sometimes brighten and dims. Most particularly, their hands tend to get bright when they are igniting the mithisella in them. You have not yet developed control of that sort over your own light, and they are never completely dark.
Concerning the force wall, it strikes me (not literally) to ask whether you intend for the wall to be fixed or to move with you. That is, I can see a (n invisible) bar extending for a few inches which you would follow to the end, or I can see a floating handle that stays a specific height above the ground but can be moved as if on a track as you move your hand. The latter would be less stable (it could slide forward or sideways faster than you intend) but more useful.
--M. J. Young
If you are "chaining" the skill (reinitiating it before it terminates) you retain the frame of reference.
Thanks, that really clears up a lot of things and also gives me a new idea on developing and chaining skills.
Body light observation:
16 month sprite light source range: little finger nail width to index finger length.
Light can be brighten or dim but not completely dark (at least for now).
Future research: body light control (what controls the light), is the light existence really needed (for survival perhaps) or an addition to differentiate sprite from other creature (genetically or magically gifted), the cause of the light (how it came into existence).
1) I will ask Lelach if she know any sprite that can turn off their body light (make it completely dark) according to their will.
2) I will also ask what happens to a sprite when their life ends. Did their body still emit that light?
3) After that, I will ask what happens if a sprite is injured or sick. Did their body light become dimmer or something?
4) I will also ask if sprite blood still glow after been separated from the body.
Concerning the force wall, it strikes me (not literally)
That makes me laugh.
whether you intend for the wall to be fixed or to move with you.
I intend it to be fixed for this first try.
I wonder if I can chain it to re-create the force wall at another hand.
I can see a (n invisible) bar
"What an amazing eyesight you have", said someone who is wearing something red.
I will try the movable force wall depending on the limitation of fixed force wall.
You focus your mind on creating that force object, and you feel it forming--and suddenly it slips from your control.
In front of you bushes and trees start falling as if sheared off at just about your shoulder height. One tree falls across the path blocking your view of how far this path, wider than the trunk of any three trees you've seen, extends.
Your mother comes running and grabs you, lifting you up into the air with her. From this vantage you can see that the damage extends quite some distance--not a mile, but farther than the heights of the trees that have fallen.
*****
Assuming you get through this unscathed and have the opportunity to ask your mother those questions, as far as she knows no living sprite can completely shut off his light, but it fades immediately upon death. Some illnesses cause it to dim, but some cause it to brighten. Blood does not glow. And your thoughts are entirely too morbid for a child your age; you shouldn't be thinking about death and blood and things like that.
--M. J. Young
I kind of get the feeling that Morach would botch this one without the concentration but somehow I kind of like it (because it is cool). I just wish that the consequences is not too severe. I have to remember to update (or point you to) the description before the skill is rolled.
There would be several things that cross my mind during the event:
1) Wow! That looks like a really cool wind cutter.
2) That looks very dangerous.
3) Will I get into trouble for this?
4) Did I forget to concentrate or something?
5) Thank you God for letting me see this.
6) I hope no one gets hurt.
7) I feel really bad for the plants though and hope they will re-grow.
8) What will become of the animals that live in or around the trees?
9) Should I check the trees to see if any animals are trapped or injured?
There is no use to cry over spilt milk, rather this a good situation to test the skills acquired.
I will use intuition or heighten awareness to search for any survivor of the aftermath.
If there are any animals that was injured (or trapped) then I tell Lelach to fly there (by pointing at that place) and probably try healing (or releasing) them next.
*****
no living sprite can completely shut off his light, but it fades immediately upon death.
The light probably have something to do with soul or the state of being alive.
I wonder if a soul leave the body temporarily, does the body still glow or will the soul that leave the body glow. That will be one of my future experiment.
And your thoughts are entirely too morbid for a child your age; you shouldn't be thinking about death and blood and things like that.
I will tell Lelach that a person that wanted to heal (or take care of) someone else have to know these kind of things to make their job easier.
*****
If the situation for the force wall botch is resolved then I will try it again but this time try to concentrate 16 minutes first. If my character thinks that he have concentrated before but still botched then concentrate for 32 minutes.
Well, squirrels are scattering, and birds are trying to relocate nests, but in the main things don't look too bad.
Your mother does not want to get too close to the devastation. She is trying to decide whether to wait for Morani or head to her parents' place.
--M. J. Young
but in the main things don't look too bad.
Well, that is good news. I hope that this event does not bring too much trouble to anyone. I will remember the feeling of losing control of the force object, the affected area, the maximum width of the cut, and how far the cutting went for future reference.
I will calm Lelach down and tell her to wait for Morani then we will go to her parents' place if Morani agreed that we should go there.
I wonder if my parents have any siblings that they can turn for help in case of emergency so I will ask Lelach about this.
In case Morach moved to Lelach parents' place, will that place be called 'home' or something?
*****
After things settled down, I will try concentrating for 16 minutes then creating the force wall.
Lelach is the fourth child in her family; she has two older sisters and a brother between them, with a younger sister also. The older ones all have families, but the younger is just about old enough to help watch you if it becomes necessary. Morani has an older brother and a younger sister. (I have not named any of these people, and if they become significant you will have to remind me.) Morani's brother is a little older than Lelach's next older sister, and his sister is a bit older than her younger brother. Morani is a bit older than she is. But it would have to be a very serious problem for a sprite family to impose on parents or siblings. Once you have your own family, you take responsibility for it, and trust that the King will not allow anything to happen to you that you cannot handle. The question now is whether it is safe to live where you are or necessary to find another tree with a hollow in it for a future home. This is a very fortunate location, as it is so close to the water and the tree is very good, and your parents did not have to do much to make a good clearing here.
Lelach stays very close to you for the rest of the afternoon, and when Morani comes home she tells him what she knows--which is almost nothing--of the sudden destruction of the forest. He examines it, flying out over it some distance.
"I think we'd better tell the elders," he says. "I don't know what could do that. Humans can knock down trees, but not like that. It might be elfin magic; I don't know. Bring Rach, and let's go see if we can find someone to tell."
--M. J. Young
Lelach sibling:
L1s
L2b
L3s
L4 (Lelach)
L5s
Morani sibling:
M1b
M2 (Morani)
M3s
(L: Lelach, M: Morani, s: sister, b: brother)
and his sister is a bit older than her younger brother.
That statement confuses me. I thought that Lelach do not have a younger brother?
As the diagram shows above, there is no girl that have a younger brother except Lelach oldest sister.
If you meant Lelach younger sister rather than brother then the order would be:
L1s
L2b
M1b
L3s
M2 (Morani)
L4 (Lelach)
M3s
L5s (or probably brother if you mistook the gender earlier)
*****
If I know that the destruction of the forest is somehow my fault then I will tell Lelach when we meet with the elder and tell Lelach to give me to elder so that they can guide me better in the future (to avoid further destruction).
If I do not know that it is my fault then I will try to concentrate 16 minutes then make a force wall again the next chance that I have.
You are correct; that should read that Morani's younger sister is older than Lalach's younger sister. I was going to make that a brother, as probability wise odd numbers of siblings should break as evenly as possible but even numbers should break off by two (something I learned from playing Bridge, actually); but apparently I did not follow my instincts, so we'll go with it as it falls.
I think that you realize that the destruction was your mistake--more accurately, your goof, your flub, your botch, something that happened because you lost control of a power you were attempting to manage. Thus in some sense it is your "fault".
Given that, it would appear that you plan to take responsibility for it by telling Lelach it was your fault when Morani is explaining the situation to the elders. I will want to know what you are telling her, but perhaps more significantly how you are telling her. Your linguistic abilities are still somewhat limited, although far advanced for your age (you can slur through sentences other children could not comprehend at sixteen months). If this is telepathic, it will have to be a skill check. (It will have to be a skill check if you're talking, too, but that will be a different skill check.)
--M. J. Young
Thus in some sense it is your "fault".
Does this "fault" happen when Morach concentrated for 16 minutes or not?
Thought projection would be good in this case. The range would be anyone who is inside the talking distance when the skill is active which means if any person goes out of range when the skill is active that person would not hear the thought and if any person comes into range when the skill is active would hear it.
When Lelach is not in talking distance to Morani or the elder then I would say, "Mother, I think this incident is somehow my fault. I am trying to develop something to support me walking when it happens. I am also trying to careful so that such things does not happen but I must have forgotten to concentrate properly. (That is if Morach forgot to concentrate or some divine intervention occurs.) I apologize for that.
Please live happily at the clearing because there would be less danger there if I am not around. If you wish, you can give me to the elders so that they can guide me properly so this incident would not happen again. I hope you can forgive me. Please bring me to father and the elders because I would like to explain the situation to them. Please believe the fate that have been set by the King."
I just hope that I am making the right decision.
This could probably have a big impact on my life later on.
I will wait for Lelach's reaction before proceeding with my next action.
I guess I haven't been clear; I apologize. I did not include sixteen minutes of concentration in the numbers for the force object skill learning attempt, and thus either you did not concentrate for sixteen minutes or having concentrated you then got distracted and started afresh without the benefit of the time of concentration.
Lelach calls to Morani that she will be a moment, because she has to change you. (This is a credible excuse, as you have not quite developed the muscles needed to avoid this sort of embarrassing complication.) She takes you aside.
"Theian Orlanda Morach," she says (and you shudder because she has used your full name). "I realize that you are different from other children, and that the King has for some reason decided that your father and I should raise a child with, shall we say, unusual talents. However, I have managed to persuade your father that this should be our secret. He is fairly certain that if the elders were made aware of your--traits--neither we nor anyone else would ever see you again.
"I am not telling you to lie to anyone, and particularly not the elders; but I think it would be better if you happened not to mention your involvement in this incident. I don't know if you can understand this, but the elders will probably be very afraid of you if they find out you did this.
"So we're going to go in there, and we're going to let Morani explain what he saw, and I'm going to tell them what I saw and that I don't know how it happened, and then we're going to let the elders decide what we should do. Do you understand?"
--M. J. Young
However, I have managed to persuade your father that this should be our secret.
I am glad that father know our secret. I wonder when Lelach managed to persuade him.
"Yes, I understand. I do hope that we still get to live at the same clearing though. I apologize again for the trouble I have caused."
I will wait for the elder decision and live at the designated home.
*****
A few days later, I will probably try my force wall again but this time I will make sure that I have concentrated for 16 minutes first.
The secret that Morani knows is that you can read minds and talk by telepathy; my vague recollection is that you have contacted him before, but I could be misremembering. He does not know that you destroyed the forest.
The elders are as confused about the disaster as Morani; they've never seen anything like it. However, they don't see any reason to think that the location is dangerous--sort of like the question of lightning striking twice in the same place, that if something extremely unlikely to happen at all happens in a particular place once, it might never happen again anywhere, but it is not more likely to happen in the same place than anywhere else.
Thus you return home.
The devastation is not as bad as a bulldozer--nothing is uprooted, merely cut to that very low height. Probably the trees will sprout new limbs from their remaining stumps, and the bushes will grow back. Already sprites from the area are cutting up the fallen wood for firewood.
You spend time concentrating, and then you create the wall--which you can see shimmering in the air just beyond arm's reach away; but as you move toward it, it moves away from you.
You're obviously on the right track; you just can't seem to get the force where you want it yet.
--M. J. Young
The secret that Morani knows is that you can read minds and talk by telepathy; my vague recollection is that you have contacted him before, but I could be misremembering.
I think I have read Morani mind before but just to familiarize myself with him.
I would have contacted him telepathically when the incident occurred if I have contacted him before. This is because from my understanding, Lelach is trying to keep this a secret from her husband.
If this is the case, what did Lelach tell Morani when she persuade him?
it might never happen again anywhere, but it is not more likely to happen in the same place than anywhere else.
Nearly got the same botch again.
I am glad that I can return home.
Probably the trees will sprout new limbs from their remaining stumps, and the bushes will grow back. Already sprites from the area are cutting up the fallen wood for firewood.
I am glad that incident is over and even produces good result (such as firewood) in the end.
You spend time concentrating, and then you create the wall--which you can see shimmering in the air just beyond arm's reach away; but as you move toward it, it moves away from you.
This is rather a good result.
Can I try pushing something else (such as leaves or the fallen trees) using the force wall?
I will try to remember how this is done for future reference.
After playing with the unreachable force wall, I will try the force wall again (with 16 minutes of concentration) the next chance I get.
You try crawling toward the woods, and your mother asks where you're going with that voice that suggests she suspects you are up to mischief and need her intervention.
You turn back toward the tree in the center of your clearing, but when the force wall touches it and you try to get closer, the wall disintegrates.
You can try again tomorrow.
--M. J. Young
The secret that Morani knows is that you can read minds and talk by telepathy
I take the above statement as true then, unless you have something else in mind.
when the force wall touches it and you try to get closer, the wall disintegrates.
Interesting. I will note the exact spot where the wall touch the tree for future reference. I also wonder if the force wall have a certain durability to it until it disintegrates so I will keep this in mind to test later on.
The next day, I will concentrate for 16 minutes and then try the force wall again.
I will also try to check if my practice schedule are full or if there is still time to practice something else.
Yeah, I thought about it in the context of the story from which this was taken, and although there probably should have been a moment when Lelach asked you to prove to Morani that you could communicate telepathically (there is such a moment in the book), I can't imagine that she has not had her conversation with him about your unusual ability in all this time. So he knows that you communicate telepathically with your mother, and he knows that this is not the norm for children, but he does not know much more about your abilities than that. He also believes that if this abnormality were generally known, you would have been identified as an aberration, probably dangerous, and handled accordingly, but he does not like to think about what that might mean. Your mother has persuaded him that you might have these unusual abilities because the King sent you as the deliverer from the present trouble, which causes him to wonder how he should be raising The King's deliverer; but his solution at this point is to do what he would do if he did not suspect that, trusting that The King knows what He is doing.
You manage to create the wall exactly within reach. It is invisible, but you can hold it as you walk. It remains fixed in one location (which is, if I recall correctly, what you described), and is about as long as your mother is tall, shaped something like a bar suspended in the air. You are able to walk alongside it supported in part by it.
How long do you intend to maintain it, or will you keep using it for however long it runs or you are exhausted from practicing your walking?
--M. J. Young